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OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Murphy ()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:03AM

I recently discovered 3 of the the metal valve stem caps I installed on my 2012 Tacoma were frozen in place. I gave one a squirt with some penetrant but still snapped the valve stem.

Yesterday I went to the tire store to have them replaced, but they couldn't Sync them to the truck. After 2 hours they brought the truck around and said "all set". As soon as I turned the ignition on the low pressure light came on. I had to go, but returning to have another go at it.

Same thing last year with wifes car at a different tire store.

Why are these things so difficult to work with? Bad sensors? Lousy equipment? Operator error????

65 Monza Coupe
61 500 Coupe-W100181
Earliest '61?

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:21AM

Operator error, what do you expect from kids running a tire store? I had the same problem with my Truck, America's tire had no clue. I came home and read the owners manual and figured out how to Reset the monitors myself.





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:46AM

Some systems require a hand held tool to activate the sensors and pair with the car's computer. I know this is with Honda and some others.
The tires have to be over inflated to activate the TPMS for pairing. After being paired, proper tire pressure is set.

By the way.. if the ham handed tire changer brakes the sensor, it can cost over $100. The pairing service an be another $100 depending on the dealer!
Never let a tire shop BS you that the TPMS in the wheel's "always" break!

Corventure Dave

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Murphy ()
Date: October 10, 2018 09:51AM

Well, I'm off to the tire store. I'll mention about the over-inflation.

Will be back later with a report.

65 Monza Coupe
61 500 Coupe-W100181
Earliest '61?

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: wv-geo ()
Date: October 10, 2018 10:12AM

I own a 2008 Scion xD (Toyota) and had the same problem. I have an extra set
of wheels that have winter tires installed. When switching the tires out the TPMS
light came on.

I did some research on the internets and found out that the sensor in each wheel has an unique identifying code. The TPMS in your vehicle has to be told what the code is for each sensor. Some TPMS systems has to be told which corner of the vehicle the sensor is on so that it can tell you which tire is low in pressure; my Scion doesn't care where the sensors are, it just wants to know the codes.

If you replace a sensor or multiple sensors, the TPMS has to be reprogrammed.
The tire store has to have a reprogramming tool that plugs into the OBDII port in your vehicle. If they don't, you have to go to the dealer and have it reprogrammed; the dealer will soak you for doing it.

You do have alternatives to the dealer:

- Cover the dash light with a piece of black electrician's tape.

- If the TPMS system doesn't care where the sensors are, take the old sensors and throw them in the glove box.

- Purchase a TPMS reprogramming tool and do it yourself.

I purchased a reprogramming tool from ATEQ and it works well.
Before you balk at the purchase price, check with your dealer and find out how much he charges just of a one-time reset.

Here's a link to the tool I purchased.
[www.amazon.com]

Dan Stark
Hurricane, WV

1961 Lakewood 500, 80HP, PG
1964 Corvair 500 Coupe, 140HP, 4spd (Christine)
1965 Mustang Coupe, 6cyl, 3spd

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: October 10, 2018 10:17AM

With my Chevy Truck you reset them with the key remote and holding the pressure monitoring button, But like Dave said some cars require a special tool, at the race track when a Porsche comes in for tires we take the monitors out and hand them to the owner if they mount slicks as the tire/wheel temps will destroy the monitors, Oh, and on a POORche they cost $1500 ea to replace!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: October 10, 2018 10:22AM

Dan wrote: "I own a 2008 Scion xD (Toyota) and had the same problem. I have an extra set
of wheels that have winter tires installed. When switching the tires out the TPMS
light came on.

I did some research on the internet and found out that the sensor in each wheel has an unique identifying code. The TPMS in your vehicle has to be told what the code is for each sensor. Some TPMS systems has to be told which corner of the vehicle the sensor is on so that it can tell you which tire is low in pressure; my Scion doesn't care where the sensors are, it just wants to know the codes."

Craig replies: I have a 2013 Toyota Venza with TPMS. When I got my snow tires and wheels, the Toyota dealer installed "clone" sensors in the winter wheels. Each sensor is a clone of the original Toyota sensor including its ID number. The car has no idea anything has changed when I install the winter wheels: BRILLIANT! The dealer cautioned me to not store the extra set anywhere near where I park the car because the car's TPMS receiver would be confused by the extra signals.

For winter changover, all I have to do is switch out the tires and hide the second set of tires. No muss, no fuss, and no messing with TPMS.

I'm hoping to repeat the process for our Chevy Volt TPMS. Right now looking into clone sensors and programmer. Anyone have good or bad experience with one brand or another? (Sensor and programmer)

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts




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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: jcorvair ()
Date: October 10, 2018 12:19PM

Early on I recall a warning about using metal valve stem caps on TPMS equipped wheels when we had a problem. We changed to plastic and all was good. My chevy pickup could store many sensors in the computer so I could switch on my winter tires and wheels, but had to learn the location every time I rotated tires. My 2016 Dodge electronically recognizes the sensors and there location. No more learning process.

James
West Kelowna, BC

1965 Corvair, Corsa, Convertible 180/4
2013 Hyundai Santa Fe Turbo
2013 Hyundai Elantra (daughter's future car)
2016 Dodge 3500 Crew Cab 4x4 (for hauling cars, trailers, fifth wheels, quads, etc.)
2013 Victory Car Hauler (enclosed)
2015 Polaris 570 EPS
2016 Polaris 570 SP

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Murphy ()
Date: October 10, 2018 01:09PM

I like cnicol's idea about clone sensors.

Had to leave the truck at the tire store. Have it back and all is good.

They're honest, manager said we screwed it up, we'll start over. Refreshing to hear some honesty.

Can't ask for more than that.

65 Monza Coupe
61 500 Coupe-W100181
Earliest '61?

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: October 10, 2018 01:24PM

One of the best solutions I read was on a Hummer forum, make a pvc tank out of pipe and caps, install a valve stem in the tank and throw the sensors inside, seal it up, air it up and stash it in the car, as long as the air in the tank stays up no light. My method of throwing them in a drawer in the shop doesn't get rid of the light but they don't bother me there.
My wife's 07 Hummer is the only thing we own that has them and no aspirations yet to buy anything newer, the more I look at newer the less I like it.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: wv-geo ()
Date: October 10, 2018 01:35PM

moomba32 Wrote:
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> One of the best solutions I read was on a Hummer
> forum, make a pvc tank out of pipe and caps,
> install a valve stem in the tank and throw the
> sensors inside, seal it up, air it up and stash it
> in the car, as long as the air in the tank stays
> up no light. My method of throwing them in a
> drawer in the shop doesn't get rid of the light
> but they don't bother me there.
> My wife's 07 Hummer is the only thing we own that
> has them and no aspirations yet to buy anything
> newer, the more I look at newer the less I like
> it.

TPMS have been mandatory in vehicles since the 2008 model year.

Dan Stark
Hurricane, WV

1961 Lakewood 500, 80HP, PG
1964 Corvair 500 Coupe, 140HP, 4spd (Christine)
1965 Mustang Coupe, 6cyl, 3spd

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 10, 2018 01:47PM

wv-geo Wrote:
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>
> TPMS have been mandatory in vehicles since the
> 2008 model year.


Yes, and because of that, I wonder about the wisdom of tampering, or fooling with the system.
Not the reprogramming, but the "work-arounds".
I can see an insurance company refusing to cover a claim if for ANY reason they can point out a non-functioning "Safety System"!!!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Murphy ()
Date: October 10, 2018 05:14PM

jcorvair Wrote:
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> Early on I recall a warning about using metal
> valve stem caps on TPMS equipped wheels when we
> had a problem.

I certainly missed that class. The lesson this week was expensive, so I'm sure I paid attention this time.

I know better but didn't, if you get what I mean.confused smiley

65 Monza Coupe
61 500 Coupe-W100181
Earliest '61?

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: October 10, 2018 08:08PM

I've been working with LTPWS at a Chevy dealer since the systems came out and I still think its more trouble than its worth. There's no reason the sensors have to be so expensive except for profit. My Impala has the system but my Corvair and two other cars don't, and I don't miss it one bit!

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 11, 2018 03:23AM

I have had vehicles with TPMS since 2010. One sensor failure on the 2009 Saturn in all these years.

Love knowing pressure before I start out for the trip. That way I can get pressure back to normal before daily drives or long trips. Running tires 2 psi low contributes to poorer gas mileage.

Hate that the people that rotate the tires know I have the system on my vehicles and doesn't reset the sensors to the new locations.

I have TPMS on my Monza and I am now considering it for my RV trailer. Chinese trailer tires don't last longer when run under-inflated

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: October 11, 2018 04:00AM

I have the tpms on my trailer tires and it saved my butt this summer on a long trip. Indicated tire loosing pressure and with in 10 miles I had to pull over before tire pressure got too low and shredded the cheap chinese tire.

Was hoping to get off the thruway but no luck, but was able to pull over to a relatively safe shoulder.

Put Goodyear Endurance tire in its place and other tires will follow.

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 11, 2018 04:20AM

Tom:

what brand TPMS do you have?

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: stitch ()
Date: October 11, 2018 04:30AM

Geeee, I feel like such a Dinosaur with only a TPG (Tire Pressure Gauge) that I pull out of my glove-box occasionally, to MANUALLY check the pressure! ggg eye popping smiley

"If you can't fix it with a Hammer, you have an Electrical problem."
Stitch...
Schertz, Texas.
(Smallish town/burg 17 mi. NE of San Antonio)

!967.. 4th body
8th off the line

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: October 11, 2018 04:44AM

Lane66m Wrote:
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> Tom:
>
> what brand TPMS do you have?

I use the Tireminder TPMS that have the screw on valve stem monitors.

I have a long 5th wheel and had to add the "booster" for it to send the trailer tire signals to the cab. I run 6 two on truck (old 1998 Dodge PU).

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: OT-TPMS or Tire Pressure monitoring system
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 11, 2018 04:49AM

I think I will get a 8 sensor system. That way I can put the extra 4 on my flatbed and enclosed hauling trailers.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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