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OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: October 08, 2018 08:34AM

Well, I had asked them on their help lime, for an extension past their specified 30 DAY backup time. The techie said they would (though he offered no physically documented guarantee).

So it took a bit longer than I wanted to replace my computer. Think his word was honored? HAH! eye popping smiley After at least two tries and days of downloading (Oh God, how much is THAT going to cost me?? Last time I had internet over-usage charges of $4-500 for two months running! angry smiley ), the result is that I have apparently lost many irreplaceable files. Many music files, most all of my historic data files on Corvairs, my model inventory, my income tax data dating back to 1968 when I first started working, and my records of all the cars I ever owned are among the apparent casualties, and who knows what else.angry smileyangry smileyangry smiley Most all of that data is impossible to replicate, as the sources for much of the data are no longer in existence.

I have only one other source possible, IF I can find it, but it won't cover the later additions, and that is the old hard drive salvaged from the previous computer crash-and-burn. Needless to say, I am not satisfied with Carbonite, and can no longer recommend them. This is why I hired them in the first place, and they have failed miserably.

From now on, I am going to physically back up everything I can by printing it out, even if it's an interactive file. I'm also going to put as many files, starting with the critical ones, on both CD and a thumb drive.

Words for the wise.....

-Mark

P.S. I am NOT writing this so that any of the heartless wags on the net can crap on me about any aspect of this situation. So I am asking for those so inclined to go criticize someone else. It's been a really bad year and I am in no mood to hear any negative comments, thank you very much!

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 08, 2018 08:38AM

Join the Present!! gg

FREE Just like Casper / the best! ]

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 08, 2018 09:03AM

USB memory is inexpensive for data file back up.

The problem with on-line back up is you either pay for it, or if free all your data can be accessed (that's how they make money).

Bloomberg news recently published an article claiming "cloud" server boards used by Amazon and Apple (and others) were made in China with spy chips installed. Apple and Amazon deny this.

See [www.bloomberg.com]

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: dhomuth ()
Date: October 08, 2018 10:10AM

Costco has recently had a 6 Tb auxiliary hard drive for around $120 or so.
Back up to that -- you can have it done automatically -- and control it yourself.

1966 Corvair Corsa convertible
Same car I bought in 1/68 the night before I went to Viet Nam he second time. Got it back in 8/15. Plan its first public runout come July.


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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 08, 2018 10:58AM

66vairman Wrote:
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> USB memory is inexpensive for data file back up.
>
> The problem with on-line back up is you either pay
> for it, or if free all your data can be accessed
> (that's how they make money).
>
> Bloomberg news recently published an article
> claiming "cloud" server boards used by Amazon and
> Apple (and others) were made in China with spy
> chips installed. Apple and Amazon deny this.
>
> See
> [www.bloomberg.com]
> /the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infilt
> rate-america-s-top-companies

I concur.
I have always despised the idea of cloud storage from the first day I heard of it.
How do you know that the cloud company has real security?
They may say so, but how do you verify that one?
How do you know that they are not prowling through your info?
How do you know with a certainty that they are even based in the U.S.A.?
They could have a front office based here, and the whole time be based in India, China, Russia, who knows where!
For that matter, they may even be actually run by the FBI, or CIA!
Okay, I will go put my tin-foil hay back on now.

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: vairchet ()
Date: October 08, 2018 01:30PM

This is what use for back-up of personal and important files (aside of multiple computers). No 'cloud' service for me:

Chet in Ramona

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: mwr ()
Date: October 08, 2018 02:24PM

Yeah, there's no one right answer. Hardware can fail, CDs become unreadable over time,the cloud is scary. Been there, done that.

There are ways to make cloud storage secure, by encrypting everything before it gets uploaded. If doesn't matter if Putin or Xi Jinping personally get ahold of it after that, because they'll never be able to read anything without the key. It's an extra step, but it works. I use Boxcryptor, and for personal use it is free.

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 08, 2018 03:35PM

mwr Wrote:
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> Yeah, there's no one right answer. Hardware can
> fail, CDs become unreadable over time,the cloud is
> scary. Been there, done that.
>
> There are ways to make cloud storage secure, by
> encrypting everything before it gets uploaded. It
> doesn't matter if Putin or Xi Jinping personally
> get ahold of it after that, because they'll never
> be able to read anything without the key.
It's an
> extra step, but it works. I use Boxcryptor, and
> for personal use it is free.



Oh yeah?
Are you sure?
The same thing that I said about cloud storage applies here.
Unless it is your own personal programing, . . . .
"They may say so, but how do you verify that one?
How do you know that they are not prowling through your info?
How do you know with a certainty that they are even based in the U.S.A.?
They could have a front office based here, and the whole time be based in India, China, Russia, who knows where!
For that matter, they may even be actually run by the FBI, or CIA!
"
FREE???
Somehow, Cyber Security and FREE seem to be two words(well,3 words) that do NOT even belong in the same sentence!
WHO exactly IS Boxcryptor?
And how do you REALLY know that you can trust them?
Systems, Hardware, CD's, Flashdrives, all can fail over time, this is true.
But, I think you are safer to do redundant back-ups on multiple formats rather than trusting your info to faceless corporations out there in the ether.
Just my thoughts, you all do whatever makes you comfortable.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: October 08, 2018 06:28PM

Big TD drives are so cheap now I have several of them, do they fail, yes, so I have a more than one. Some of the stuff is so old its hard to find a way to run it . Turbo Tax for instance. The new programs won't run the old files and the new OS won't run the old TT.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 08, 2018 06:57PM

I have Norton's do an automatic backup daily in the middle of the night every day. It only backs up changed files. If it is important files I want stored on disc, I burn to a DVD-R multiple session disc. I also have a 1 tb drive I keep a duplicate of my c:\documents files , just in case I screw something up. I confirm files on that drive weekly. I don't write or gather many documents any more do it isn't a big deal to check for changes to the directories.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: October 09, 2018 09:20AM

I use Acronis software and backup to my own cloud, a 3TB solid state drive from Western Digital. I bought the multiple computer version (it's actually a license) and after some setup woes, it works great. I do complete backups of both computers every night. It's automatic and I get an email in the morning that it was successful. The package also comes with free Cloud (their cloud) storage. I have been backing up both locally and on their cloud. It's optional for those that don't want their data outside.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 09, 2018 12:27PM

Since I have to be an IT guy to feed the Corvairs I'll agree that external disks are horribly unreliable. You will certainly not want to rely on just one.
Backup software is also terrible in general. You need to regularly do test restores to make sure it is actually working. I can't remember how many times customers have lost everything only to find out their backups were no good. They are bad much more often than they are good. I've never tried a restore from Acronis. The built in Windows backup has never worked for a full restore in my experience. BackupExec usually fails.
Install an extra disk and use RAID1. I know that isn't a backup but it avoids 90% of the times you would need a backup.

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 09, 2018 12:35PM

Casper and Aomei work flawlessly.... 3 times now poeple I've set up have had HD Failures...

the Casper unit was writing to an Ext. HD.... L Just booted the the Ext. HD and went on working

Aomei is manual BU.... but two laptops faild HD's and we just inserted another and boot to Aomei and copied it over... very little lost since they last backed up..





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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 09, 2018 12:40PM

I'll have to check Casper. I've never messed with it. Anything manual wouldn't do with my customers. I can't even get them to look at the automatic software to see if it claims to be working.

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 09, 2018 12:42PM

Casper costs! Aomei is FREE..





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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: October 09, 2018 06:22PM

I found that even printing stuff out on paper would be near impossible. I just checked one of my more elaborate programs that I didn't lose, and (in excel) just one tab was 40 legal pages long. And it has over 20 tabs to it. A paper copy would be a veritable book in length. Then there's the matter of embedded formulas. Thus, electronic backup is an absolute necessity.

I'll look into all the suggestions. Thanks to all!

-Mark

P.S. still looking for that old hard drive... eye popping smiley

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: October 09, 2018 08:40PM

The 30-day time limit seems incredible to me. It would seem they would keep your stuff forever if you just kept paying their rent (ransom).

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: Gregory_Miller ()
Date: October 10, 2018 10:52AM

I use Acronis and manually back up to 2 external drives, I have had to restore w/ no issues with it.

Greg Miller
Eugene, Oregon

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Re: OT - Carbonite is a failure hot smiley
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: October 10, 2018 12:17PM

Google Cloud here. I'm going to hell.

Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA & South Coast CORSA
Former Member: Vintage CORSA Orange County. Member, ISA (Int. Screenwriter's Assn.), SAG Eligible, and Producer's Guild Aspirant


* Then: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/1965 Monza 110 Purple/
1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Yellow
* Now: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Project. Blue, Blue/Beige interior.



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