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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: October 05, 2018 07:56PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> I stopped at Walmart last night to buy some MMO
> but they were out.


Have it delivered: [www.walmart.com]

$15.87/gallon - Free 2-day shipping on orders over $35






Kevin
Medina, OH

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 05, 2018 09:55PM

I probably should but they are slower than Christmas at shipping things. Almost as bad as Home Depot. I've ordered oil from them and it took about 10 days. Home Depot seems to be about 2 weeks minimum.
I guess if I had ordered it a few days ago it would be half way here by now...

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: October 06, 2018 08:27AM

MTCW

You have a vehicle that either sat for many years "decades" or was not properly maintained.

You think the rings might be stuck.
So your first and ONLY thought is how can I free up the rings?

Where I think what else has been neglected - not used and in need of attention.

That is why I "personally" choose to treat more than just pouring something down the cylinder.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 06, 2018 09:43AM

Tony;

That is why I suggested the PCV valve. But that low cost troubleshooting suggestion was just ignored. No need to suggest other items since this troubleshooting is tunnel visioned on rings only. Did not see a compression check being done yet. Clean plugs but must be burning the oil.

My Saturn did not have signs of oil burnt on plugs. I was using synthetic oil. Out the tailpipe with no sign either. Converter was trapping oil was my guess.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp





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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 06, 2018 11:22AM

Tony, what else could it be? Did you suggest something else that I missed?

Al, I wasn't ignoring you. I wanted to check it before I replied. I did check it just now and the valve is clean and there is no oil in the hose. Good idea to check that.

Thanks!

I'll go back over the symptoms. Runs good or at least smooth. No noticeable blow by - no oil in the crankcase vent or PCV line.
I replace the valve stem seals that were shot - no change.
Smokes like crazy and burned 5 quarts in 30 minutes.

I'm not too worried about the compression since I won't be taking it apart as long as it runs. I probably should be. I suppose one cylinder could be so bad that it isn't running and pumps oil into the exhaust.

I don't have much info on the history. The guy that gave it to me told me it burns about as much oil as fuel and it burns a lot of fuel. It sat several years after he last used it.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: Aaron65 ()
Date: October 06, 2018 12:32PM

Long shot: if the intake manifold isn't sealing along the lower edge of the intake ports, it could be sucking oil through there. There would probably be other symptoms, but it's something to think about.

1965 Corvair Monza Convertible 95 4-sp.
1965 Buick Skylark
1965 Ford Mustang
1965 Dodge Dart 170 Wagon
1953 Buick Special Riviera
1963 Ford Thunderbird
1974 Pontiac Firebird Esprit

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 06, 2018 12:45PM

After running engine up to temp, pull plugs and crank it over. If any oil comes from plug holes, then rings have to be issue on those that spit oil. Pressurized each cylinder and see how much pressure they will hold with valves closed. Worst ones have lowest pressure and will need attention.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 06, 2018 02:07PM

Aaron65 Wrote:
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> Long shot: if the intake manifold isn't sealing
> along the lower edge of the intake ports, it could
> be sucking oil through there. There would
> probably be other symptoms, but it's something to
> think about.
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great tip... seen that exactly a few times.. 429 industrials... isn't part of the head part of the Intake?





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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: October 06, 2018 04:34PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Tony, what else could it be? Did you suggest
> something else that I missed?
>
> Al, I wasn't ignoring you. I wanted to check it
> before I replied. I did check it just now and the
> valve is clean and there is no oil in the hose.
> Good idea to check that.
>
> Thanks!
>
> I'll go back over the symptoms. Runs good or at
> least smooth. No noticeable blow by - no oil in
> the crankcase vent or PCV line.
> I replace the valve stem seals that were shot - no
> change.
> Smokes like crazy and burned 5 quarts in 30
> minutes.
>
> I'm not too worried about the compression since I
> won't be taking it apart as long as it runs. I
> probably should be. I suppose one cylinder could
> be so bad that it isn't running and pumps oil into
> the exhaust.
>
> I don't have much info on the history. The guy
> that gave it to me told me it burns about as much
> oil as fuel and it burns a lot of fuel. It sat
> several years after he last used it.


Joel,

Mrs took a pee break and I need to get back to the movie we are watching.

It is not that it is not the rings. But if any engine has this and other kinds of issues.
WHY then only put a Band-Aid on it. Why treat one area.
Time is money and other things are sure to need attention is my point.

Read why I use BG Engine Purge kits - over simply pouring other treatments in the cylinder.
IT addresses and cleans up other things "ALL a the same time".

I've been singing this same song over and over to CCF members. Some get it. Most don't - due to cost.

You can lead a horse to water - and we all know the rest of that saying.

Got to run back to TV - Mrs is has been waiting on me.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: CorvairGeek ()
Date: October 06, 2018 05:17PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> ========================================
>
> great tip... seen that exactly a few times.. 429
> industrials... isn't part of the head part of
> the Intake?

I believe you are thinking of the FE series (car) truck and industrial, they are that way. Completely different from the 385 series (370, 429, 460cu inch) engines.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: October 06, 2018 05:21PM

A quick check to see if one cylinder is low compression is to pull the coil wire and spin it over, if all cylinders are even it'll be an even rhythm slowing on each compression stroke, if one is bad the starter won't slow on that one and kind of speed up. No clue on why it's drinking oil.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 06, 2018 08:24PM

Tony, most of the time I'm all for doing things right which would involve pulling the engine and rebuilding it. This project isn't one of those times. I prefer to dedicate my time and resources to the Ultravans and Corvairs. I think I'll try the MMO and if it doesn't work I'll probably just pour oil in it and use it as is. I've considered catching all my regular drain oil and using it. 3000 mile Mobil1 is probably good enough considering how little time it will spend in the engine.
If I get really motivated maybe I'll do a compression check and if that is ok do the BG treatment but I doubt that will happen this year.
Thanks!

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 06, 2018 08:27PM

Don, the cranking speed seems pretty uniform. I did have a Buick 350 many years ago that ran smooth but didn't have any power. It turned out to have 0 compression on 5! cylinders due to pie shaped chunks being burned out of those exhaust valves.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: OttawaCorvairGuy ()
Date: October 07, 2018 07:46AM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Tony, most of the time I'm all for doing things
> right which would involve pulling the engine and
> rebuilding it. This project isn't one of those
> times. I prefer to dedicate my time and resources
> to the Ultravans and Corvairs. I think I'll try
> the MMO and if it doesn't work I'll probably just
> pour oil in it and use it as is. I've considered
> catching all my regular drain oil and using it.
> 3000 mile Mobil1 is probably good enough
> considering how little time it will spend in the
> engine.
> If I get really motivated maybe I'll do a
> compression check and if that is ok do the BG
> treatment but I doubt that will happen this year.
> Thanks!


Joel,

Your example of pulling the engine is a bit much.. LOL

I'm not trying to change your mind.. Merely pointing out facts - for anyone who cares... (As this will be seen months and years later by other CCF members)

The same time it takes to use MMO and change the oil = the same time to use BG engine purge - is my point.

However, The big difference is that the engine purge does more or treats more for the same effort/time invested.
Thus it benefits one's time/effort invested for the same amount of time involved to do either..
Add the above to how I use it and am able to reuse it = cuts the overall cost of buy the product and it can be used more than once. GRIN


For those interested:

These products like any other brand - will only work if conditions are right.
In other words if rings are broke and such - there is no fix = other than replacing them.
This is simply a cheaper thing to try and if it works = Great!
IF it does not - you're not out much.

Anyways, on with my story..

Back in the day I purchased a Chevy G20 van that was using a lot of oil...
This was due to poor maintenance and too few oil changes..

Shortly after I got it, I happen to move from CO to VA.

Knowing how well BG Engine Purge kits worked - I used it.

Not how they said to use it but how Rod and I used it.

Part way to VA - The engine stops using so much oil...

I drove that Van the rest of the way to VA and had it for a few months.

Because it was rust free and now ran better - I was able to sell it for more than I paid for it and my expenses to get to VA.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: October 09, 2018 04:06PM

It's been 30 years since I did a BG purge but it was a lot of work compared to squirting some oil in the cylinders and letting it soak. How do you use it?

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: curt ()
Date: October 11, 2018 05:03AM

MMO smells great, I have heard more than once MMO will help stuck rigs.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: October 12, 2018 04:55AM

It’s not uncommon for ‘80s vintage ford big blocks to have broken oil control rings. I have an 88 Ford one ton that burns a quart of oil every 25 miles. It still runs great, has minimal blowby, and doesn’t even smoke. The only time you can even smell burning oil is during engine braking.

My theory is that with the large bore and the oil getting into the combustion chamber it is mostly all getting burned.

I’ve tried different treatments with no change. Pulling the engine is out of the question. It’s a pretty well used up dump truck that only sees local, mostly off road use.

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 23, 2018 10:44AM

New development:
Started smoking even worse and quit like it ran out of gas. Starter won't turn engine. Checked oil and it's now reading way over full. Drained oil and the first 2.5 gallons that came out was fresh clean green antifreeze.
That pretty much has to be an intake gasket doesn't it?

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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 23, 2018 01:56PM

Correct!


Time for KB BLOCK sealer! It Works.... $7

Follow instructions! I've sealed several over the decades... NEVER FAILS!





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Re: OT: 429 Ford stuck rings?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: November 23, 2018 02:22PM

If it would seal a leak that big it would seal the radiator and heater core also.

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