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Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: September 11, 2018 02:23PM

May have had this discussion somewhere before!

I have a perfect NOS 12 plate oil cooler still in the box. Well, the box was opened, but other than that, its NOS for sure.

So this makes a delema. I also have 2 excellent used 12 plate oil coolers.
Now if I was to install the NOS unit, then I would have 3 used ones. If I use one of the used ones, I still have the NOS.
So who would want to install the NOS cooler, only to make it like the old one?
Does being new add to it's value-price? Once it's installed it just like the used ones. How many other NOS parts fall under this category?eye popping smiley
I can see trim parts value as NOS. But mechanical parts that are much more common and in good condition, beg to this question. Especially items like this oil cooler that are not prone to wear like bearings and other moving parts! Other parts, just to name a few come to mind like fan belt retainers and hubs for fan bearings and valve cover retainers!

So there is the question. Are some NOS parts in reality no more valuable than good used ones????confused smiley

Food for conversation!eye rolling smiley

Ponder Ponder Ponder..... or just forget about it and sit back and have a cold beer!

Corventure Dave

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 11, 2018 02:39PM

You should definitely install the used one and send me the NOS one.
Used ones always scare me because I never trust them to be totally clean.

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: September 11, 2018 02:55PM

Keep the NOS one! I had over 50 of them and always nice to install a brand new one on a new engine! I have 3 - 8 plates I have been cleaning for a weeks and still getting crud out of them! I just bought a ultrasonic cleaner from HF and trying it out! new is always better than used for a new engine!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: 2manyvairs2fix ()
Date: September 11, 2018 03:13PM

Every Corvair owner should keep some "Shelf Candy" for personal satisfaction. If you don't use it you will still have it. Oil coolers get dirty right away.Clean a used one. My two cents.

39 years in collision and restoration.
Corvair fixation since 1977
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1966 Corsa coupe factory A/C project
1966 Corsa "140" conv. former Crown project
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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: ROD ()
Date: September 11, 2018 03:40PM

NOS parts better spent on concourse level vehicles. just my opinion

Rod Tetrault
El Cajon , CA
65 Corsa Yenko Clone / 65 Corsa EO Creampuff Vert
66 Corsa "JIMISH" Mid engine Turbo LS1 currently 2nd fastest Corvair in the USA
Class 5 Corvair powered Baja
61 Vintage Rampy
Corvair powered Buggy x 3
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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: September 11, 2018 04:45PM

The NOS value thing is up to the individual.

HOWEVER - I agree with motohead that used oil coolers are always full of crude. I have gotten them cleaned out, but what a long process involving $$$ for different solvents.

Dave - if you aren't sure you can clean out the used ones, then use the NOS as motohead suggested.

Just me.

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: September 11, 2018 05:15PM

NOS oil coolers are the one part I never sold, always scared there is that one stuck chunk of crud in a used filter that will destroy a new engine!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: September 11, 2018 05:23PM

Hey DaveM., I know you had some N O S oil coolers. You don't want to sell your
N O S 3 plate oil coolers?

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: gnrand ()
Date: September 11, 2018 05:28PM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> NOS oil coolers are the one part I never sold,
> always scared there is that one stuck chunk of
> crud in a used filter that will destroy a new
> engine!

Would a radiator shop be able to clean the oil cooler?

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: September 11, 2018 05:28PM

Timothy Shortle Wrote:
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> Hey DaveM., I know you had some N O S oil coolers.
> You don't want to sell your
> N O S 3 plate oil coolers?
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I been trying to sell those 3 plates! sold one for $12.59 to a guy for a concourse 63, no one wants the others!drinking smiley





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: September 11, 2018 06:47PM

If you can find a radiator shop that does work on the aluminum radiators, then they could tank it for you, and not damage the aluminum. I would just soak it in gasoline for a week or two, and then blow it out

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: September 11, 2018 06:49PM

Been soaking in gas for a week or 2 and still crud coming out!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: Vairismo ()
Date: September 11, 2018 07:05PM

Too bad we are past the days when you could buy just about any solvent over tha counter at the paint or hardware store.
You know, like Toluene and MEK to name just a couple. Bet they'd do the trick.
Anyone know if you used to could buy Trichlorethane or whatever the military used.
I'm thinking you could have. Used to be able to easily get carbon tetnicloride pretty easy.
You win some, you lose some. Better and worse living at the same time through chemistry, eh.



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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: September 11, 2018 07:31PM

MEK and Xylene are on the shelf at Lowe’s here.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: September 11, 2018 07:33PM

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The Montreal Protocol targeted 1,1,1-trichloroethane as one of those compounds responsible for ozone depletion and banned its use beginning in 1996. Since then, its manufacture and use have been phased out throughout most of the world.

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Tetrachloroethylene is widely used for dry-cleaning fabrics and metal degreasing operations. Effects resulting from acute (short term) high-level inhalation ...

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: September 12, 2018 03:40AM

I found carb dip cleaner works wonders.

I used toluene, acetone etc. and when I put in the carb dip liquid inside the oil cooler and let sit, I got the crud out that the others left behind.

After the carb dip, rinsed with a pressurised hose water to flush and then followed up with acetone to make sure any traces of carb dip was gone.

The carb dip I used was old formula from about 15 years ago, not sure about the modern stuff.

-Tom


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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: September 12, 2018 04:59AM

Getting back to the NOS cooler I had the same dilemma a while back!
I was building an engine, a race engine at that! I put on the cleaned cooler and it had a leak from a seam, I cleaned and put another on and it leaked. I said screw this so I put the NOS one on! Guess what? There was a little pressure when you bolted the tail end down and the NOS cooler cracked and leaked also. I corrected the issue after that and put a 4th cleaned folded fin cooler on and all was well.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: September 12, 2018 05:58AM

If you are serious about cleaning a used oil cooler then maybe send it to where people have them cleaned and tested becuase it could be a matter of life or death.

[www.oilcoolers.com]


"...We are the world’s largest FAA Repair Station for aircraft oil coolers. We also service a large number of automotive oil coolers, radiators, and heat exchangers. We put the automotive units through the same exacting cleaning and repair process that the aircraft units go through, but at a fraction of the aircraft cost. The results speak for themselves, with very high quality results.

The basic overhaul cost for automotive units is $125.00 each. That is to decontaminate the inside and outside and assess any repairs that are needed. For your unit, we can either re-attach any broken off fittings that you’ve got – or machine new ones and weld them into place. Please note that the repairs are billed at our normal shop rate of $100. Per hour, on top of the standard overhaul cost of $125.00 per oil cooler. Also know that we can do a lot of work in an hour, so it is rare that anyone spends more than $225.00 for the overhaul AND the repairs, combined.



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66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: viewmaster ()
Date: September 12, 2018 06:18AM

....and so goes the Corvair parts horder!!! REALLY??? If you have a NOS part, and are so concerned about used parts....JUST INSTALL THE NOS PART, AND DRIVE THE CAR!!!!!
-m



Mike
'65 '500' Sedan 110 PG
'65 Monza Sedan turbo'd 110 SU conversion
Fresno, CA

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Re: Delema... NOS 12 plate oil cooler
Posted by: glivorsi ()
Date: September 12, 2018 06:50AM

I own one boxed NOS part- a harmonic balancer. I will never install it because I know they have a shelf life. I should probably just toss it or use it for a core. I run into this same scenario a lot in my other hobby of collecting Lionel trains. Locomotives and cars that have never been on the track can be identified because the wheels don't have any roll marks on them. Collectors always debate if they should run them because they are only new once. Personally, I would keep the NOS part new and then refresh one of the used ones. Or you could do what others do with their NOS EM visors...

Greg in Wildwood, MO (part of the St. Louis urban sprawl)

1965 Monza Vert 110PG, Crocus Yellow with black interior and top

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