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OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: cepak ()
Date: September 09, 2018 09:44AM

A friend at work is now very interested in Corvairs, and has asked me to help him with his search since he’s never owned a Corvair.

RANT
I’m so sick of these people selling classic cars with “patina”. I’ve seen ads and called on 3 different Corvairs over the past 2 weeks. Two of the ads mentioned “patina”. When questioned these two sellers, they mentioned only minor rust. When viewing these Corvairs in person, they were POS rust buckets that wouldn’t be even worth paying for a title transfer, much less paying the outrageous asking price.

What I’m finding is that even though you ask extremely detailed questions related to rust, the sellers are not being honest.

I have now stopped calling on ads that mentions the 5 letter word “patina”. If the seller mentions this 5 letter word during a phone conversation, I just hand up.
END RANT


Tom Cepak
DFW, TX

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: irfgt ()
Date: September 09, 2018 10:12AM

I agree and the people that get a rusted out vehicle running, clear coat over the rust and win a freaking trophy with it makes me sick too!

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: September 09, 2018 10:14AM

I thought rust was Patina! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out





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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: September 09, 2018 10:19AM

Patina screams LAZY and NO MONEY

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: September 09, 2018 10:36AM

It looks more interesting to me on 30s-50s vehicles, trucks more than cars. I saw one guy that basically left the body alone and restored the rest, as in new mechanicals, interior and even new chromed bumpers, grills, and wheels, I kind of like his trucks.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: sawdog81 ()
Date: September 09, 2018 11:09AM

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cepak
I’m so sick of these people selling classic cars with “patina”. I’ve seen ads and called on 3 different Corvairs over the past 2 weeks. Two of the ads mentioned “patina”. When questioned these two sellers, they mentioned only minor rust. When viewing these Corvairs in person, they were POS rust buckets that wouldn’t be even worth paying for a title transfer, much less paying the outrageous asking price.

Most sellers confuse "patina" with "field find"!

Tom in Murphy, TX
'66 Monza Cpe 110/4spd
'69 Monza Cvt 110/PG #4858

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: September 09, 2018 11:18AM

I enjoy watching "Pickers" on TV, but when they start with that patina BS, I'm like give me a freak'n brake and do it right.

J.O.

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: September 09, 2018 11:32AM

I don't get the whole patina thing....it's a 6 letter word, btw. smiling smiley

David Clamp


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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Robert G ()
Date: September 09, 2018 11:47AM

If you dont like patina, dont go to the auction by Sullivan Auctioneers near Garden City Kansas as all the Corvairs are covered in "patina". UNLESS you want to buy one and cover it with paint!LOL Sept 17 and 18
My wife says no more Corvairs as have sold 10 and still have a dozen left to work on.
400 some cars for sale there, Corvairs are mostly the first day.

Robert G
SW Kans (in the corner!)

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: September 09, 2018 01:41PM

Sounds like a lot of people just don't understand concepts like "original" vs "restored stock" and what the word "patina" really means to original cars.

The truth is that nice, well-preserved original cars are the fastest appreciating collector cars on the market today. People who are really into factory stock cars have finally realized the truth in the statement that a car is only original once, and that no matter how expert a restorer is at his art, no one can really duplicate the way the factory assembled and built every car. And in the process of preserving historic value, one has to realize that just in ageing artifacts gain a certain "look" that cannot be duplicated. THAT is patina.

Normal wear-and-tear is just that, and should be kept to a minimum as much of it can be prevented. But there is no avoiding patina, as simple ageing will be there regardless. And that is what makes a well-kept original worth the extra bucks.

-Mark

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Kyle_in_Mich ()
Date: September 09, 2018 02:08PM

Mel Wrote:
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> Patina screams LAZY and NO MONEY


Now that's just mean. Not everyone can afford a fully restored car, or worse, to fully restore the car. Just because they are enjoying the car as is does not make them lazy or poor.

CORSA Member
Traverse City,MI
Daily driver- Bicycle
Fun driver/project- 65 Corsa 140/4 speed

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: September 09, 2018 02:11PM

Relax Kyle,
Canadian Mel is just one of those guys who believes that you should not own a classic car if it is not perfect.
That doesn't make him "mean". angry smiley
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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: September 09, 2018 02:14PM

Classic?? You're as bad as Mel! ggg





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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: September 09, 2018 02:19PM

67 airvair Wrote:
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> Sounds like a lot of people just don't understand
> concepts like "original" vs "restored stock" and
> what the word "patina" really means to original
> cars.
>
> The truth is that nice, well-preserved original
> cars are the fastest appreciating collector cars
> on the market today. People who are really into
> factory stock cars have finally realized the truth
> in the statement that a car is only original once,
> and that no matter how expert a restorer is at his
> art, no one can really duplicate the way the
> factory assembled and built every car. And in the
> process of preserving historic value, one has to
> realize that just in ageing artifacts gain a
> certain "look" that cannot be duplicated. THAT is
> patina.
>
> Normal wear-and-tear is just that, and should be
> kept to a minimum as much of it can be prevented.
> But there is no avoiding patina, as simple ageing
> will be there regardless. And that is what makes a
> well-kept original worth the extra bucks.
>
> -Mark


"Survivor" cars are worth some serious $$$, not some POS dragged out of a field

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 09, 2018 05:13PM

Sometimes it's a question of opinion, other times (and it seems like it's more often than not) the seller is just a flat out liar. I looked at an "all original paint" "absolutely no rust whatsoever" car that had sheet metal screws holding sheet metal patches all over it with sloppy spray can paint and several large external rust holes. Liar! Do they think they are such a good salesperson they will sell it to you anyway?

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: 4carbcorvair ()
Date: September 09, 2018 06:27PM



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65 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.




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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: September 10, 2018 04:47AM

A car with faded or worn paint to the point of surface rust is patina.
A car with rust through or structural damage from rust has gone too far.

The whole patina thing has allowed a lot of folks to bring their cars out without being ashamed. Same with primer or flat black.

I can see where it would make it frustrating when trying to find a car. I don't have that problem as they seem to find me.

I can appreciate a 60s car that doesn't have a perfect paint job in a vivid color with sporty wheels and wide tires. I can also appreciate one that does.
I really appreciate a car that's nice and solid and safe underneath where you can't usually see it.
I could probably whip myself up into a rant about cars that look really good but you go to work on them and it's hack job city. It's hard to explain to someone when their pride and joy isn't all it's cracked up to be. A shiny car that you can't even jack up gives me a Mel Brooks sort of High Anxiety.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: Darrin ()
Date: September 10, 2018 05:46AM

Here is one with the P word. The patina extends to not having any front floors.

[easternshore.craigslist.org]

Darrin Hartzler
Bethesda, MD

Corvairs in two states of the Union and varying states of disarray.

Northern Virginia Corvairs & Group Corvair



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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: cepak ()
Date: September 10, 2018 06:25AM

Darrin Wrote:
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> Here is one with the P word. The patina extends
> to not having any front floors.
>
> [easternshore.craigslist.org]
> air/6685196054.html

At least this guy states it in his ad that the car has no title. I've seen them listed as having a title, asked on the phone if the car has a title, only to find after looking at the car that there is no title.

So here is the problem. If you go to Texas DMV they state at the bottom of the form that
"For Vehicles 25 Years Old or Older TxDMV will determine and assign the bond value and Appraisals less than $4,000 will not be accepted."

Why would anyone want to go through the hassle? Especially for a car that is worthless.


Tom Cepak
DFW, TX

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Re: OT - Patina Rant!
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 10, 2018 09:28AM

I didn't realize it had the $4000 minimum. Good info to have. Thanks Tom!

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