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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: September 03, 2018 05:41PM

The one I keep re-using was from near the end of my AC PF4 stash.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: MonzaJPD61 ()
Date: September 03, 2018 06:31PM

Could your filter be cocked slightly?

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: September 03, 2018 07:15PM

Bogey72 Wrote:
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> It leaked out the same spot same direction when I
> installed the first and then again the second
> time. The second install of the filter, I tried
> re-using my old washer which was holding just fine
> all summer.
>
> I will have to get a new bolt to try that, and
> more new washers.
>
> Could the filter itself be suspect?
>
> I will also take it off again to look for
> scratches. Ran out of time to play today, so will
> update again when i can try these suggestions.

NO.
Your leak is between the bolt and the housing.
Your filter is fine, . . . . UNLESS, there is more that you have not showed/told us.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 09:23AM

The top side at the bolt appears to be my only leak.

I got shipment of new washers today from clarks.

Interesting fact:

- if you order the gen2 filter, you get an orange-colored washer included.
- if you order any extra washers separately, you get gray-colored ones.

And -- this orange washer came with a bite taken out of it!

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
1965 Monza Convertible, PG
Owner since August 2013

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: September 06, 2018 09:34AM

The little bite is pretty common on many punched gaskets. It would be unlikely to affect sealing. Any bigger, though, and I wouldn't use it.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: September 06, 2018 09:39AM

If the underside of the bolt and the top of the housing is flat and burr free, that red washer will seal.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 11:12AM

I just removed the filter, and I see the top of the housing has some serious scratches in it -- The arrow in the photo is pointing the spot where it is leaking -- No idea how these scratches got there or if they have been there for a while -- but this is the first time i had leak issues with a filter change.

How do I fix this?

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 06, 2018 11:15AM

A little careful work with a file should do the trick.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 11:26AM

i'm sure i don't have the right filing tool to best do this -- can anyone suggest a file/type and procedure?

I don't want to guess and totally screw this up.

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: September 06, 2018 11:38AM

I would probably try some lapping compound under the head of the bolt. Work it back and forth, remove clean inspect. If not correct, repeat until it is.

J.O.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 06, 2018 12:28PM

I think the one scratch that is the problem is too deep for lapping compound. You could fill the scratch with some epoxy or JB Weld.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 12:30PM

Thanks J.O. I never used the stuff before, but seems pretty straightforward. Is "permatex valve grinding compound" suitable / same thing? Thats what I'm finding in my local stores at first glance ...

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 12:34PM

i have JB Weld Steel stick on hand, would that work?

Ed Conto
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: September 06, 2018 12:36PM

I don't see why not. Just make it nice and smooth. I would put a layer on and then scrape it off with something like a credit card. Then it will just be in the grooves.

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: September 06, 2018 01:54PM

Bogey72 Wrote:
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> Thanks J.O. I never used the stuff before, but
> seems pretty straightforward. Is "permatex valve
> grinding compound" suitable / same thing? Thats
> what I'm finding in my local stores at first
> glance …


Yeah, go with the coarse stuff if you have a choice. The plus with lapping is you will also true the aluminum surface to the bolt. I think it will cut pretty fast, only go 30 seconds at a time then check. I don't think it needs to be perfect all the to the perimeter, just so most of it is clean a smooth. If you aren't making progress then try JB weld.

J.O.

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2010 BMW F 650 GS
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2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 06, 2018 02:15PM

OK - that makes sense -- i bet those scratches were at least somewhat already there and it was holding until this last change--- odd direction of scratches -- like somebody was doing something else with the bolt off... i have never had the bolt off for more than a few minutes at time, only while changing the filter.

Will try the grinding compound first to see if that can smooth it enough to hold...

THANKS EVERYONE --

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
1965 Monza Convertible, PG
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: September 06, 2018 02:39PM

May have been that way for a while and was filled with crud, or maybe JB weld or something. The last time what it just stuck to the gasket instead of the aluminum.

J.O.

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69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
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Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: September 07, 2018 07:12PM

Sure looks like a crack in the raised nub just above the bolt hole in your picture.




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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: Bogey72 ()
Date: September 08, 2018 05:25AM

Yes, that is a crack. Dangit. I didnt notice that before, but i am wondering if it could be a surface crack? There are other dings in the top of this housing in addition to the dings at the bolt hole that I am already working on. I haven’t seen leaks where that crack line is. What happens if it turns out to be worse? Now i am a little nervous.

Ed Conto
Saratoga Springs, NY
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Re: Oil leak after oil change
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: September 08, 2018 06:04AM

If it is a crack it will probably begin to propagate, it probably could be repaired by having it TIG welded.

If it was mine, I'd get another adapter, It looks like it is a EM mount in your picture, are you running a generator?

If so, PM me I will send you one for the price of shipping.

If it you have an alternator, I do not have extra of those.

Tom

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