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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: September 13, 2020 01:19PM

Nice job, Dean! What's next?

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 13, 2020 05:08PM

Next is fabricating the engine mounts.

Plan to use two Corvair mounts: one on each of the side rails.

Jim Stukenborg has graciously agreed to send me photos of his setup so that I can duplicate it.

Ken Arnold installed the original mounts while Jim added a stabilizing cradle bar that went under the engine and connected both mount arms.

I will post the photos from Jim once I receive them.

Stay tuned grinning smiley







Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: tkalp ()
Date: September 13, 2020 07:04PM

Here is a photo of how my Corsa uses the Corvair mounts for the Olds 315 (former Carl Kozad conversion)

T. Kalp
Wichita, KS

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: September 13, 2020 07:15PM

Very nice work as usual.

I drove my 215 powered Buick a lot today. Love that engine.

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 14, 2020 03:38AM

Thanks Terry Kalp!

Obviously, I did not know that yours used the Corvair mounts.

Is it possible for you to post a photo looking at one of the mounts from the engine that shows the face of the mount, etc?

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 14, 2020 04:40AM

Here are the photos of Jim Stukenborg's engine mounts:







Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 14, 2020 08:32AM

More photos showing the faces of the mounts and the backside of one.

Big thanks to Jim Stukenborg for the excellent photos!! thumbs up







Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: scottymac ()
Date: September 16, 2020 09:42AM

Yikes! I checked the electric pump Seth mentioned, Summit wanted $445! Anyone know of a cheaper source?

[www.summitracing.com]

Scott
Danville, In.
'65 Corsa basket case
'66 Monza coupe
[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 16, 2020 04:20PM

Scott,

If you are considering a remote electric pump, then you might check out the Davies Craig kit:

Davies Craig Remote Electric Water Pump Kit

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 26, 2020 07:06PM

Cut the plates out of 3/16" steel, drilled holes in the plates and the side rails, then test mounted the Corvair engine mounts.

Had to cut away some sheet metal between the battery tray and the side rail to allow space for the nuts and bolts.

I plan to weld in some metal to close up the hole.











Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: September 27, 2020 05:34PM

Cleaned up the hole between the battery tray and the side rail, then welded in some sheet metal from below.

Powder coated the plates and attaching hardware.

Next step is to fabricate the mounts using angle iron and 2.5" square tubing.





Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: October 18, 2020 04:28PM

The Rally seats in Houndstooth that were ordered at the beginning of June finally arrived.

My original plan was to use the stock Corvair sliders because several Corvair owners who installed the Procar seats stated that the Procar sliders and floor adapters made the seats too high inside the cabin.

But being a tall guy, I wanted to take advantage of the extra leg room provided by the Procar sliders.

So I started researching and found several Youtube videos where they modified the sliders by cutting them down so that the seats sit lower when attached to the Procar floor adapters.

The Procar floor adapters have been ordered and should arrive within the next two weeks.





Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: October 25, 2020 04:52PM

Vairy productive weekend!

Fabricated and powder-coated the engine mount brackets using 2 inch x 3/16 inch angle iron and 1.5 inch x 3/16 inch square tubing.

The practice welding from last weekend paid off this weekend.

Still don't consider myself a "professional" but my welding skills are much improved.

Need to remember to avoid vertical welds as much as possible...































Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 25, 2020 05:40PM

Mounts look good but I would join the two side mounts with a section under the oil pan,(bolted or welded smiling smiley

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: Pacerace ()
Date: October 25, 2020 07:17PM

I would agree with Mel. That seems like a whole lot of leverage on those 2 bolts.

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Chandler
Powder Springs, GA.



1965 Corvair Monza 110/4sp Coupe

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: October 25, 2020 08:33PM

While he is usually Gruff, Rude, Undiplomatic, and quite frankly even Annoying at times, I must say that Mel is also often Correct. winking smiley
And I would have to concur with his assessment on this as well.
I love the clean look of what you have achieved on this vehicle, but would hate to see that gorgeous chunk of Aluminum Art, destroyed by a failed motor-mount arm.

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'67 Monza Vert. - 140, 4-spd. Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza
Have had; '61 Monza coupe, 80hp, PG
'62 Monza Wagon, 4spd.
'63 Spyder,
'65 Corsa
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'04 Dodge Cummins Quad Dually, approaching 400K
'03 Honda Del Sol
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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: ihscomputers ()
Date: October 26, 2020 05:53PM

Gentlemen, please know that I am sincerely grateful for the concern and the advice regarding the addition of a cross member between the two mount arms.

My plan is to use the existing mounts without the cross member for the following reasons:

1. I estimate that there is about 400 pounds being supported by both Corvair mounts. This works out to about 200 pounds per side. Remember that the Corvair transmission mounts also carry some of the weight burden.

2. I plan to install ARP studs in the block so that there is maximum use of all the threads in the block and to reduce the wear & tear on the aluminum.

2. For about 20 years, Ken drag raced this car and this engine using mounts that employed smaller 1" square tubing and never had an issue.

3. Terry Kalp's Corsa with a Buick 215 uses mounts very similar to mine. I know for a fact that when Karl Cozad owned that car he drove it everywhere and never had an issue.

Dean F. Gemberling
Columbus, Georgia
Heart of Georgia Corvair Club Webmaster
Springfest Webmaster

1963 Rampside w/305 V8 - Built by Ken Arnold in 1998

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 27, 2020 04:56AM

You could always weld the aluminum block after it cracks , no worries smiling smiley

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: October 27, 2020 10:17AM

ihscomputers Wrote:
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> So I started researching and found several Youtube videos where they modified the sliders by cutting them down so that the seats sit lower when attached to the Procar floor adapters.
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> The Procar floor adapters have been ordered and should arrive within the next two weeks.
>

I want to see what you come up with for this. I have procar mounts and will have same seat style. thumbs up

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block (Sold)
86' BMW 325es
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
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Re: 65 V8 Coupe w/Buick 215 - Racecar to Streetcar Build smoking smiley
Posted by: donm ()
Date: October 27, 2020 03:38PM

I have concerns about using the stock Corvair mounts as you have. The Corvair mounts are designed to carry a vertical (shear) load only. But with the arms you've built, you're introducing a lot of twist (bending) force to the Corvair mounts that they were never designed to carry. IMHO, I think it would be better to bolt/weld the arms directly to the Corvair unibody rails and put conventional V-8 rubber mounts between the arms and the block.

Don M.
Verona, WI (Near Madison)

'67 500 coupe with Crown V8 & Corsa conversion
Bought & built the Corv8 kit in 1970
Currently undergoing a rotisserie restoration
'72 GMC Sierra Grande 402 BB, Short Box, A/C, Owned since 1973

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