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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: jmaechtlen ()
Date: August 05, 2018 10:51PM

My car has a stock steering box and short steering arms, and a smaller steering wheel.
(actually stock arms from a '61 Tempest)
Yeah, effort is high.
Steering speed is still a bit slow for my taste, but will have to suffice until I go with power rack & pinion. (maybe someday)
It was slightly twitchy until I tweaked front and rear toe. Pretty stable now.
(well - as it was. We'll see how the new package affects everything!)

Jay Maechtlen
El Monte, Ca
Yes, it started out in life as a 61 2door.
It has a custom fiberglass skin, and a transverse 3.8 Buick.


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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 06, 2018 04:40AM

Tweaked toe? I'll have to educate myself as I know so little about how to perform an at home alignment.

There are a variety of magnetic bubble tools on eBay and Amazon, and many ytube instructional vids. I'll be changing my 1965 "control" arm bushing today (the one that bolts to the rocker) as the bushing has slipped out of the arm, and the arm is rubbing the bracket....

I'm an old dog, but I need to learn some new tricks...

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Date: August 06, 2018 06:39AM

Clarks C5061:




Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: August 06, 2018 06:54AM

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I used the Brent method, worked out fine

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 06, 2018 07:05AM

And which little bubble tools should I use to verify alignment? These tools are something new for hobbyist use

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: August 06, 2018 07:08AM

Bubble tools are for caster and camber. Won't help with toe-in.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 06, 2018 07:12AM

Craig... If you'd see my suspension angles!!! And I'm aware that toe is adjusted by either tape measure or lasers attached to wheels and aimed at something... I suppose I'll make a video once I'm into it. I'm going to pull the RR arm and change the bushing today

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: August 06, 2018 07:53AM

Camber can be checked with a carpenters square, ruler on flat ground and some trig.

eg.

If the top and bottom of the rim flat spots are 14" apart that would be the Hypotenuse of the triangle that is formed. If the camber is -1 degree. You take the sin of 1 = 0.01745240643= Opposite/14 solving for Opp = .244 so the top of the rim should be basically 1/4 further in at the top than at the bottom when measured against the carpenters square.

-Tom


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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: August 06, 2018 07:54AM

or 1/2 bubble..





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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: August 06, 2018 08:46AM

MonzaDave Wrote:
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> MonzaDave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I have the FR box, the factory quick arms, and
> > 205/60-15 tires. The steering effort at low
> > speeds or standing is very high. However, on
> the
> > backroads of Wisconsin where I do a lot of
> > driving, and where 15 mph corners are not
> > uncommon, it's a great combination. Overall, I
> > think I'll go back to standard factory arms.
>
> To add some info, my tentative plan to go to quick
> box and standard arms comes from a recent 2,600
> mile trip. But who knows, after another Wisconsin
> road trip, I may change my mind. What I do know
> is that the FR quick box is being replaced with a
> factory quick box.
>
> And Seth is correct, the quick arms are not for
> sale.

Why are you replacing the Flaming River box? Problems with it?

Lee J

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 06, 2018 08:51AM

Yeah... Why? Does it reverse steer? I read about that on the internet

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 06, 2018 09:12AM

If the box in Dave car reverse steered, Dave would have wrapped the car around a tree long ago. Dave did, however, get one of the mis-assembled boxes, many years ago. The two issues with the FR boxes were leakage drips (early on) and adjustment (or not) to limit side to side play. Like the Corvair box, there is really no front seal, just the interference fit of the big nut and the locking ring. The early lube they installed would separate oil/grease when sitting, with the oil on the bottom and the grease floating on top. the oil could drip out. If a car was in constant use, it didn't seem to be a problem, but if it sat, drip. They did change the lube after that and that problems seems to have disappeared, or, at least lessened. The centering adjustment has always been an issue, with users saying they did one thing and Flaming River says they should have done it differently. I have two of the boxes and neither one leaks and both are tight at the center position. Others have experienced issues. The point is now moot, not more Flaming River quick boxes.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 06, 2018 09:59AM

Interesting Seth. How much did they cost?

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: August 06, 2018 11:47AM

gnvair Wrote:
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> Why are you replacing the Flaming River box?
> Problems with it?

Yes, I had problems centering -- actually, I couldn't center it, so I did the best I could. The current problem is play at the steering wheel and the play is in the box, but not in the external adjustment. My plan is to disassemble the box and see what's up.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: August 06, 2018 06:08PM

Get Fred Johnson's booklet! No ifs, ands, or buts.

Fred was a superb mechanical engineer with a fantastic gift to explain things in VERY clear, simple, language. I was privileged to serve on the CORSA board of directors at the same time as Fred Johnson. Fred was a frequent visitor at my home when his business travel/supervision took him to Rockwell's Anaheim facility.

Simply put, Fred Johnson was a doer of the highest caliber. Whatever he touched, was better for it. Loosing touch with Fred Johnson when I left the Corvair world was a big personal loss for me.


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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: August 06, 2018 06:58PM

I have 2 brand new Flaming river quick boxes still in the box, hope they are the good ones!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 06, 2018 11:31PM

Well Dave. They certainly won't get any worse sitting in their shipping boxes!

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: August 07, 2018 09:56AM

Seth Emerson Wrote:
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> Well Dave. They certainly won't get any worse
> sitting in their shipping boxes!

That's for sure! The play is annoying (about 3/4"), but we did a 2,600 road trip in late June -- mostly interstates -- and I sort of got used to it. I don't much notice the play on the back roads because I'm always turning. Soooo, they may still be sitting in their shipping boxes next spring.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: August 07, 2018 11:25AM

Well after posting that I did get 42 pm's from guys wanting to buy them from me! Lol sorry guys, not for sale at this time, if they have too much slop I will sell them! They do turn the right way as Seth had me check them! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: August 07, 2018 12:31PM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> Well after posting that I did get 42 pm's from
> guys wanting to buy them from me! Lol sorry guys,
> not for sale at this time, if they have too much
> slop I will sell them! They do turn the right way
> as Seth had me check them! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

It took about 18K for mine to develop the slop. The centering problem was there from the beginning -- I even had to cut about an inch from one toe adjusting sleeve.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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