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Factory quick steer question
Posted by: LeadFootLogan ()
Date: July 31, 2018 06:23PM

I purchased Clark’s quick steer arms and it said not to use it with Flamingrivers 16:1 quick steer box. Now flaming river dosent make the 16:1 anymore. If I find a factory quick steer, would I still be able to use the quick steer arms?

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: July 31, 2018 06:36PM

Try them.. you might like it! 2 turns L to L





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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: August 01, 2018 05:10AM

The only reason why they do not recommend their quick arms with a quick box is because it makes the steering effort very high and some might find it "twitchy" at speed.

Lee J

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: LeadFootLogan ()
Date: August 01, 2018 10:29AM

What would be better for handling, a 20:1 steerbox with the quick arms, or a 16:1 steerbox without the quick arm?

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: August 01, 2018 11:13AM

A quick box with standard arms should be the better combo. Aftermarket quick arms have an issue: The don't have the right ackerman angle in tight turns and this causes squealing in low speed tight turns on pavement. (Such as a U-turn in a gas station)

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: August 01, 2018 12:46PM

gnvair Wrote:
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> The only reason why they do not recommend their
> quick arms with a quick box is because it makes
> the steering effort very high and some might find
> it "twitchy" at speed.


Agree

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 02, 2018 07:30PM

Well - You have address what usage and what wheels/tires are on the car. Remember, the original Steering option was used wit 4.5" wide, hard street tires. It had to be usable with acceptable effort - for street driving. With 7 or 8" wide sticky tires steering effort go up quick.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Date: August 02, 2018 09:16PM

Seth Emerson Wrote:
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> ...Well Remember, the original Steering option was used wit 4.5" wide,
> hard street tires. ...
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Another myth. Corvairs with new tires in 1965 were capable of 0.70 G lateral acceleration.





Look at that and tell me how hard and too skinny those tires are!

OK, here's the rest of the article.




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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: August 02, 2018 09:22PM

How does that make the tires they came with a myth? Corvairs handled better because of their design not because they came with something other than hard street tires.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 03, 2018 12:34AM

Dan - I am not talking about cornering ability, I am talking about steering effort. Change from the stock 6.50-13s to 205/55-15s and see if the steering effort changes. PS, cornering ability will also go up. I have driven many cars with both short aftermarket arms installed and the factory (or Flaming River) quick ratio boxes. On stock, narrow style tires it is passable, but stiff. But with 7 or 8" wide sticky tires, about 60 seconds of autocross is all I can stand, and I would not attempt a parallel parking.

Seth Emerson

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: August 03, 2018 07:01AM

Seth Emerson Wrote:
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> Dan - I am not talking about cornering ability, I
> am talking about steering effort. Change from the
> stock 6.50-13s to 205/55-15s and see if the
> steering effort changes. PS, cornering ability
> will also go up. I have driven many cars with both
> short aftermarket arms installed and the factory
> (or Flaming River) quick ratio boxes. On stock,
> narrow style tires it is passable, but stiff. But
> with 7 or 8" wide sticky tires, about 60 seconds
> of autocross is all I can stand, and I would not
> attempt a parallel parking.



Yes, my thoughts also!

For normal driving, I see no reason to change to the fast ratio box or quick steering arms or add wider tires. This will all ruin the delightful easy steering effort of our Corvairs.

For me, the trade off is just not worth it.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: August 03, 2018 08:28AM

A fellow in our club had the quick arms and fast steering box with wide tires.

The first autocross he went to he mowed down a LOT of cones. Afterward he said the steering effort was so high he could not turn the wheel fast enough and ran over the cones. BTW the fellow is younger and in good shape.

Compared to new cars you do have to turn the Corvair steering wheel a lot in tight turns, but I just adapt and it's not a problem.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: aircooled ()
Date: August 03, 2018 12:10PM

I have had the quicker FR box and aftermarket fast arms on my car for years. It's not an issue for me.

The steering effort is really only noticeably higher when stopped (I have always run 205 front tires with the stickiest street tires available). I can't imagine most people would have any issues in an autoX (autoX'd mine many times).

I do run the stock steering wheel though. With smaller aftermarket wheel, the effect will be more extreme.

It's about 2.5 turns lock to lock BTW.

Tim
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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: August 03, 2018 05:26PM

I have the FR box, the factory quick arms, and 205/60-15 tires. The steering effort at low speeds or standing is very high. However, on the backroads of Wisconsin where I do a lot of driving, and where 15 mph corners are not uncommon, it's a great combination. Overall, I think I'll go back to standard factory arms.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: August 04, 2018 10:02PM

And no - Dave is not selling the factory quick arms.

Seth Emerson

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: August 05, 2018 05:32AM

Is there an aftermarket arm that replicates the factory quick steer option, the so called medium arms as had been shown here? I'm looking to speed things up, but without going the budget busting factory QS option. What's involved in cutting and welding original long arms? I doubt my welding skills are up to the task sad smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2018 05:33AM by UGLYTRUK.

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: August 05, 2018 07:57AM

Nope... nothing close..





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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: August 05, 2018 08:59AM

There are vendors/fabricators in the community that will take 2 sets of stock arms and make a factory style quick arm

Lee J

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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: August 05, 2018 09:06AM

Mike Levine, the current fastest V-8 road racing car on the planet runs stock steering arms as he says the quick steer option is too twitchy at speed.





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Re: Factory quick steer question
Posted by: MonzaDave ()
Date: August 05, 2018 11:30AM

MonzaDave Wrote:
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> I have the FR box, the factory quick arms, and
> 205/60-15 tires. The steering effort at low
> speeds or standing is very high. However, on the
> backroads of Wisconsin where I do a lot of
> driving, and where 15 mph corners are not
> uncommon, it's a great combination. Overall, I
> think I'll go back to standard factory arms.

To add some info, my tentative plan to go to quick box and standard arms comes from a recent 2,600 mile trip. But who knows, after another Wisconsin road trip, I may change my mind. What I do know is that the FR quick box is being replaced with a factory quick box.

And Seth is correct, the quick arms are not for sale.

Dave Keillor
Rochester, MN

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