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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 07, 2018 07:25PM

Well, I did get a little time to look at it this afternoon.
It does not seem to be an open circuit. No sparking when the battery cable is touched to the post. Well, it did make a very small spark the first time I touched it, but I have not been able to get it to do it again. The spark was about like what you would see if you gave a quick little flick on the wheel of a Bic lighter. It was would not have even been noticeable if I had not been looking for it.

It is not the positive cable chaffed through. Nothing is in contact with it at all. Insulation is in great shape. I am beginning to think the linkage was just a fluke.

"Horrid Red Plastic Thingy" appears to be okay. What do they look like when they fail?

Dead Starter? Wouldn't the solenoid still operate? There is just nothing happening when the key is turned, other than the dash light come on.

The battery charged back up. Voltage is a bit low (12.99 volts), but that should at least make the solenoid "Click", there is nothing.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 07, 2018 07:49PM

Battery Voltage is high! SB 12.7... test again tomorrow after the surface charge has dissipated

Check for 12 volts on both sides of the Harness connector in the engine compartment.

If you have it there...check the connector under the dash... all are the large RED wire..





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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 07, 2018 08:07PM

Thanks Matt.
It will have to wait until Weds now.
Tomorrow evening is a Western Canada Corsa meeting to get last minute things completed for the Econ-run.
Hope we get more participants involved, it promises to be a great event!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 07, 2018 09:35PM

The discussion of stuck throttle and this electrical problem is look inside the tunnel. That is where the throttle linkage and the wiring are in very close company! The smaller positive cable runs all the way to the dash/light switch/ignition switch.

Have you checked to see if there is +12 volts on the purple wire in the engine compartment when the ignition switch is turned to start? I know, usually takes two people and a voltmeter or test light. Test light in dimly lit garage would be seen from the driver's seat.

Is everything dead (no lights, radio, etc) or just no starter action?

There is a nice big wire from the battery negative terminal to one of the 3/8-16 bolts on the head, right?

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 08, 2018 08:45AM

Sorry Frank, I was not real clear on that issue.
No starter action. Not even the slightest click out of the solenoid.
Evrything else seems to be working.
Several people now have suggested the harness connectors, so those are next on the list.
I will check inside the tunnel if the connectors are not the issue.

Yes, there is a large ground(neg) wire from the engine to the battery.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 08, 2018 09:22AM

Good, then there should not be the "ground through emergency brake cable and throttle linkage issue".

Is this the 66 or 67? I ask because the 67 with PG will have the neutral safety switch in the starter circuit.

I know the 66 will have the purple wire in a two terminal connector in the engine compartment, by the firewall on the left side. See if this has +12 volts when ignition switch is in start.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 08, 2018 10:02AM

This issue is happening with the '67.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 08, 2018 10:10AM

Note that a '67 has a fusible link (looks like a wire) from the positive battery terminal to the HRPT (junction block by battery). If the fusible link is blown, there will be no power to the car.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 08, 2018 10:13AM

Craig, is it obvious when the fusible link goes?
Burns up? Goes limp?
Or is it a matter of testing continuity?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 08, 2018 10:45AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Craig, is it obvious when the fusible link goes?
> Burns up? Goes limp?
> Or is it a matter of testing continuity?

Craig replies: Usually, when a fusible link "blows", the insulation on the wire changes from smooth to lumpy where the internal wire melted. Check with a voltmeter or continuity tester. Fusible links blow when there's a short circuit in the main body wiring.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 10, 2018 08:44PM

Well, I tinkered around with the car today after work.
It is not the purple wire. got juice there.
HRPT, looks fine. Not sure how you actually "test" that one???
Someone suggested jumping the starter directly.
NOTHING.
Banging on it didn't do anything either.
Decided to pull it and give it a looking over.
Once I got it removed, I could hear something tumbling around inside as I lowered it from the car.
Opened it up and, OH MY!
I think I see a problem.
HOW in the world did that happen?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 10, 2018 08:48PM

cnicol Wrote:
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> My first guess is that your starter is dead
> (shorted armature). It's a good guess but of
> course no way to know for sure until you get into
> it.

Do I get a quarter?grinning smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 10, 2018 08:49PM

You coming up for the Econo-Run?
I will make sure you get a whole dollar!grinning smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 10, 2018 08:58PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> HOW in the world did that happen?

Typical... you ran it to the Bitter end when one brush broke.... would've thought it would at least hum!

Throw a set of brushes init and you are probably good to go! Commutator looks like it's never been turned!





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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 10, 2018 09:11PM

It never gave ANY indication that the was a problem of any sort.
Never sounded bad at all!
Afterwards, nothing.
Just dead. sad smiley

Needs more than just brushes.
The flat springs are broken, and it looks like the black plastic brush brackets are too.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater



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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: May 10, 2018 09:29PM

I have a stock starter that needs some work, but nothing like what you did to
yours... I believe it still works, I just took it out to put my other starter in.

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Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car



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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: May 10, 2018 09:31PM

Its yours if you want it!

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Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car



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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 10, 2018 09:39PM

Thanks Kevin!
I truly appreciate that.
For now, I think I will rob the one out of my '66, since it is laid up for a while.
Do you plan on coming up for the Hinton Reunion, or the Econorun?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: May 11, 2018 07:57AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Thanks Kevin!
> I truly appreciate that.
> For now, I think I will rob the one out of my '66,
> since it is laid up for a while.
> Do you plan on coming up for the Hinton Reunion,
> or the Econorun?

I don't know if I will be able to make either of those events as it depends
on how much progress I make on my car... If I get it done, then I'm going to
try and make it, but if I don't, I wont be coming because of the need to keep
going on the car... it seems like weekends are the only time I can really make
a lot of progress on it!
How about this- If I can make it for one of those events, I will bring the starter with me, and if not I will figure out how much it would cost to ship it
to you, and you can decide wether or not it would be worth it, Ok?

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Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car



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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 11, 2018 08:12AM

Sound like a plan! smiling bouncing smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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