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What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:21PM

Okay, so after spending 1/2 hour waiting in line at the border, I finally got through.
Stopped at a friends house a couple minutes later, for maybe 20 minutes.
When I went to leave, the engine was really slow to turn-over.(never had that happen before)
I went about 1/2 a block and stopped at an intersection.
As I tried to pull away from the stop sign, it began to stumble.
I thought it was out of gas so I pulled into a gas station about 1/2 block further.
It died as I was approaching the pumps, and I coasted to the nearest one.
I put in some gas and tried to start it.
It turned over with some difficulty, ran for about 10 seconds and died.
It would not restart, or even turn over.
Battery was drained.
A kind stranger offered to jump it, and spent quite awhile trying to get it to take enough of a charge to run.
It took a while but it finally started.
Once it started, it started to over-rev, because the accelerator pedal was now stuck onto the floor!
I shut it down as quick as I could.
I checked everywhere for a reason for the stuck throttle, but could not find anything binding.
I gave the cross-shaft a pretty good tug and it finally snapped shut.
When I tried to start it again, it would not do ANYTHING !
Nothing after that!
Nothing would make ANY noise with the turn of the key.
No solenoid sounds at all.
The battery is now STONE COLD DEAD ! ! !
I am guessing a dead short somewhere?
But where?
Everything under the hood looks perfectly normal!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:26PM

Voltmeter? Sounds like you have a big voltage drop (open circuit some where = poor connection).

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:27PM

throttle mechanism chafing positive cable?

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:30PM

Will check those.

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:40PM

HRPT!!





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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:51PM

HERPT! Back at YOU!
As I have stated in other threads recently, acronyms may save the poster a little time when typing, but if the receiving person is not familiar with said acronym,
YOU MAY AS WELL BE SPEAKING GREEK!
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Now, would you mind taking a minute more, and interpret H.R.P.T. please?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 06, 2018 06:57PM

"Horrid Red Plastic Thingy", the junction block just in front of the battery. Also known as HRLPT, Horrid Red Little Plastic Thingy.

I'm not sure that's the problem but that's the acronym. Does the engine turn freely? Bad starter? Bad Battery?

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 07:07PM

cnicol Wrote:
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> "Horrid Red Plastic Thingy", the junction block
> just in front of the battery. Also known as HRLPT,
> Horrid Red Little Plastic Thingy.
>
> I'm not sure that's the problem but that's the
> acronym. Does the engine turn freely? Bad starter?
> Bad Battery?


Thanks Craig!

Until this happened, the engine would spin over and start-up almost as soon as the starter was engaged.
No previous starter problems.
No previous battery problems.

Will it turn freely now?
I do not know, I will check that out tomorrow.
I got a friend to help me drag her home(about a mile away from the gas station).
I have disconnected the battery and put it on a charger, but that is as much as I have done with it here.
I was still in my "Sunday Clothes". sad smiley

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: May 06, 2018 07:12PM

My first guess is that your starter is dead (shorted armature). It's a good guess but of course no way to know for sure until you get into it.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: May 06, 2018 07:24PM

I have had a battery dead shot before, started fine , drove about 2 miles to lunch , came back out it was dead. New battery solved that with no recurring problems.

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 07:29PM

Craig, I will be checking that out too then.

As for battery just suddenly puking, I have never seen one just up and go like that, but we will see in the morning after it has had a chance to recharge.

Thanks everyone for all of the ideas.
I will look into each possibility for sure.
It is just so strange!
I was just finishing a flawless 65 mile, top down, round trip, and then it just went south with ZERO warning!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater



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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 06, 2018 07:43PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> HERPT! Back at YOU!
> As I have stated in other threads recently,
> acronyms may save the poster a little time when
> typing, but if the receiving person is not
> familiar with said acronym,
> YOU MAY AS WELL BE SPEAKING GREEK!
> .
> Now, would you mind taking a minute more, and
> interpret H.R.P.T. please?

In our FAQ's!





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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: May 06, 2018 10:11PM

Oh, I have seen a battery just go dead while driving.

The first time was learning the clutch in my Dad's 66 Biscayne. Lucky I was practicing on hills so roll starts were quickly learned. He blamed me for running the starter too much, just taking more juice out of the battery than it could recharge in short light to light learning grinning smiley, but, when it happened to him the next day Sears confirmed it was just a bad battery.

Several years ago I drove the 66 A/C 4 dr to a club event about 70 miles away. Was doing fine for several years prior to this trip. On the way back home, stopped for gas. No restart, had voltmeter with me, dead battery. Hmm, look, a Walmart behind the gas station. Push car into parking space and tell wife, I'll be right back. Took battery out, hiked to Wallyworld and bought a battery. Dropped it in, started car. Voltmeter showed charging just fine. No problems since.

They can just go dead without warning, internal failure.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: May 06, 2018 10:45PM

What is a good price for a used Corvair starter?
There is a fellow about 30 minutes from me with a couple of them for sale.
Thinking that even if that is not the problem, it might not be a bad idea to have a spare one lying around.
What is "core value" on a Corvair starter?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 06, 2018 10:59PM

Core $95





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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: May 07, 2018 01:55AM

I'm betting it's the battery, anything that would kill a good battery that quickly probably would also produce some smoke. Batteries are strange animals, nobody really completely understands them.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: ac1948 ()
Date: May 07, 2018 03:36AM

I would pursue the throttle sticking problem as Lane stated. Could be chafing wire somewhere.

Jerry Murray
Charlesto

63 Rampside, PG,110

63 Greenbrier, PG, 110

64 Rampside, 110, 4 speed

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: May 07, 2018 03:41AM

I am thinking cable and throttle welded together to kill battery and stick throttle. Wild guess.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: May 07, 2018 04:48AM

It's hard to just slap in a battery these days when they're over $100. If it holds 12 volts and goes to 14 when the alternator is charging it's probably okay.

Good advice above with the Positives but I'm not sure anyone mentioned the Negatives, good ground connections. It sounds stupid as I bring it up, I'm sort of reaching here but would it attempt to make a ground through the throttle linkage if the usual path was restricted? Or was the stuck throttle just another thing in a really bad day?

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: What happened ? ? ? Totally DEAD!
Posted by: playerpage ()
Date: May 07, 2018 11:27AM

So this sounds exactly like what happened to me when my alternator failed in my 66 500. Unfortunately it failed when I was driving the eight hours on the I-15 from Los Angeles through Las Vegas to Southern Utah to visit my parents.

Since I was young and stupid and in college what I went ahead and did was simply bum charges on my battery all the way along. Of course what that meant was that an 8 hour trip took 2 days.

My battery was totally fine and continued to be. What I needed when I got home to Orange County in California was a new alternator from California Corvairs.

This is also the reason why to this day I buy much bigger batteries for my Corvairs than they necessarily need just to turn them over.

Eric C. Player
Porterville, CA
- National Member, CORSA
- Member: Central Coast CORSA
- Former Member: Vintage CORSA Orange County & South Coast CORSA Los Angeles California Chapters. Member, ISA (Int. Screenwriter's Assn.), SAG Eligible, and Producer's Guild Aspirant


* Then: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo, Red/1965 Monza 110 Purple/
1967 Monza 140 Red/1966 500 110 Black/1965 Monza 110 Yellow
* Now: 1966 Corsa 180 Turbo Project. Blue, Blue/Beige interior.



"Chevrolet's Corvair was a maverick machine, a rear-engined renegade born out of spite and genius." -- Sports Car Graphic, August 1969




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