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Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 16, 2018 02:03PM

Did any of the many uses of the 215 include being hung on a Saginaw transmission?

More to the point was a bellhousing made to put a 215 on a Saginaw four speed?

My buddy with the Fiber Fab Avenger is considering a mid engine 215 with Crown transaxle.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 16, 2018 02:47PM

While there were 4-speed bellhousings for 215s, As far as original GM goes, I would say no because the 215 went away after '63 and the Saginaw didn't come out until '66. I'm guessing the original 215 4-sp was a Borg Warner unit.

If you contact D&D, they'll have all the info you seek.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 16, 2018 02:48PM

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: April 16, 2018 02:50PM

yes the saginaw will work. same four bolt pattern as the Muncie or borg warner. But the Crown transaxle uses a adapter plate for the bellhousing as its a Corvair saginaw. Mike

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 16, 2018 03:27PM

Thank you all...D&D has the trick set up.

Looking to be vairy doable for my friend Andy.

Avenger with 215 V8, close ratio Sag, and 3.08's.




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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: April 16, 2018 04:05PM

Phil. The Avenger is a mid-engined setup with a Crown style setup, Engine/trans/diff. If your buddy changed from the Crown front adapter to the "Big Car Saginaw housing - Like Chis Wills' design, then it would be an easier solution. The big-car Saginaw would bolt right to that bellhousing. But it means building a side-shifter set-up, or individual cables.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: April 16, 2018 04:12PM

The Crown will work as well with this bellhousing. The Crown adapter plate allows it.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 16, 2018 04:17PM

I might have the name of the car wrong...it is an original rear engine 140 car currently.

Andy is one of those guys that can fabricate anything out of nothing in about ten minutes.

He wants to make it a mid engine V8 car and you're right Seth...a Wills would be a lot easier.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 16, 2018 04:28PM

My post when Andy bought the car.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: April 16, 2018 04:42PM

Phil - I recall D&D made a 215 V8 to Saginaw 4 spd. bellhousing for use in the Vega.

Putting a 215 in a Vega was popular at one time, and it weighed no more than that boat anchor Vega four.

On my list that I'll probably never get too. - LOL.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: leikec ()
Date: April 16, 2018 08:26PM

It will never happen, but if I ever become filthy rich I'd love to do a Concept 57 Corvette as a sort of restomod, except I think it would be fun to put some variation of the aluminum Buick v8 in the car, just for the shock value at car shows when I open the hood to to somebody expecting a LS6 or something equivalent...

Jeff C

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: April 16, 2018 09:15PM

Phil Dally Wrote:
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> My post when Andy bought the car.
>
> [corvaircenter.com],
> 930590#msg-930590

Phil the Avenger GT 15 is Corvair power and the GT 12 is VW.

The Valkyrie is the mid-mounted V8 model.
The trans used is early Corvair 4spd with
a similar conversion as we see with Crown
cars. Only little glitch I see is added
length of longer 66 trans plus 3.5L is
a bit longer than SBC. Weight saving
is really good. Can't wait to see the
progress pics.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: ensys ()
Date: April 16, 2018 10:37PM

Mr.leikec:

As the '57 vette came with a v8 already, I should think the more impressive effort would be the alloy 215 (and a 4-speed) in the earliest, 6cyl models.

Keep 'em flying...

S.J.Szabo

From America's
Automobile Heartland

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: April 16, 2018 11:53PM

The Saginaw, Borg-Warner T10 and the Muncie all have the same front bolt pattern. GM offered the BW T10 in the F85 and the Buick Special (Jetfire) in the early 60s.Those bell housings must be hens teeth now. But they did make them. As Steve wrote, the Fiberfab Valkyrie was a mid-engined steel frame car with the same outer body shape as the Avenger. The Avenger was either VW or Corvair powered, with the engine in the rear.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: v8vair ()
Date: April 17, 2018 06:03AM

The Trick thing to do is put a big car mainshaft in the Corvair/Crown trans case,then use one of Arches C5 to corvair trans adapters.You then get the Bullet Proof C5 Diffs and you retain the easy Crown shift set up.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 17, 2018 06:16AM

Hmmmm...I didn't even think about the C5.

That would be right up Andy's alley...strong.

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: April 17, 2018 06:26AM

Is he really dead set on a 215?. There are so many aluminum V8 engines out there that weigh about the same or darn close to the 215 and make double or triple the power the 215 makes. GM LS and LT series engines come to mind and use more readily available bell housing patterns. LS7 makes 505 horse stock to give you an example. A garden variety 5.3 out if a truck in aluminum makes 315.

Lee J

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Date: April 17, 2018 07:45AM

ITs too bad these motors are so hard to find, I would love one in my Datsun 1200. Seeing that bellhousing makes it even easier..

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Re: Buick 215 V8 Question
Posted by: cepak ()
Date: April 17, 2018 06:18PM

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