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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Bigwave ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:54PM

Bodytags Build sheets give body accessory options. That is their purpose. It tells someone on the Fisher side to install the turbo specific panel. If the buildsheet you found on the car matches the bodytag, and also does not have the "O" in group four, then the Turbo stuff was added later on. The errors I've seen on bodytags were inconsequential, and did not effect the important data on the bodytag such as accessories, color or trim. The Turbo panel is an important code on the fisher bodytag side, and I've seen so many Turbo clones over the years due to their higher desireability, that I've come to the conclusion that with out the group 4 "O" code the cars bodytag then the car is a clone, and not original. For example I had an original owner swear up and down that his Monza 4 door came from the factory equipped as a Spyder with the Turbo motor. It was obvious that the parts were added on later, but he swore if came from the factory this way. He later changed his story to "the dealer did the conversion before he took delivery". The car looks great and I'm sure in all the important ways is a 66 turbo convertible, but it did not come from the factory that way. It doesnt bother some people, but those who care about original factory accessories, the absence of the "O" code means it is not a factory original Turbo vert.

Bigwave Dave Trull, Sierra Vista Arizona
Former owner 1966 Turbo Convertible Pilots 23 & 27
Former owner 1969 Convertible #5997

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Bigwave ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:55PM

Bodytags Build sheets give body accessory options. That is their purpose. It tells someone on the Fisher side to install the turbo specific panel. If the buildsheet you found on the car matches the bodytag, and also does not have the "O" in group four, then the Turbo stuff was added later on. The errors I've seen on bodytags were inconsequential, and did not effect the important data on the bodytag such as accessories, color or trim. The Turbo panel is an important code on the fisher bodytag side, and I've seen so many Turbo clones over the years due to their higher desireability, that I've come to the conclusion that with out the group 4 "O" code the cars bodytag then the car is a clone, and not original. For example I had an original owner swear up and down that his Monza 4 door came from the factory equipped as a Spyder with the Turbo motor. It was obvious that the parts were added on later, but he swore if came from the factory this way. He later changed his story to "the dealer did the conversion before he took delivery". The car looks great and I'm sure in all the important ways is a 66 turbo convertible, but it did not come from the factory that way. It doesnt bother some people, but those who care about original factory accessories, the absence of the "O" code means it is not a factory original Turbo vert.

Bigwave Dave Trull, Sierra Vista Arizona
Former owner 1966 Turbo Convertible Pilots 23 & 27
Former owner 1969 Convertible #5997

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: April 15, 2018 10:03PM

What does a horn relay and a buzzer have in common other than they look similar externally? Has anyone actually installed a horn relay and had it sound like a buzzer?

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 15, 2018 10:18PM

flat_six Wrote:
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> What does a horn relay and a buzzer have in common
> other than they look similar externally? Has
> anyone actually installed a horn relay and had it
> sound like a buzzer?

No, that doesn't work. (nor does it match physically)

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: David Malcolm ()
Date: April 16, 2018 06:06AM

And the 1969 supplement incorrectly says the "key in" buzzer is located IN the horn relay.

David Malcolm
1969 Monza PG Coupe
NJ near the Meadowlands

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: April 16, 2018 07:14AM

David Malcolm Wrote:
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> And the 1969 supplement incorrectly says the "key
> in" buzzer is located IN the horn relay.


The other Chevrolet models such as Corvettes and Camaros had a horn relay that incorporated the buzzer.

[www.classicmuscle.com]

Lee J



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2018 07:18AM by gnvair.

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 16, 2018 06:26PM

Bob, you say you have the build sheet? Can you post it or send a pic of it to my email?

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 17, 2018 06:50AM

I pick up the car today. Are build sheets typically located under the rear seat if the car is unmolested?

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: April 17, 2018 07:02AM

66ragcorsa Wrote:
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> I pick up the car today. Are build sheets
> typically located under the rear seat if the car
> is unmolested?

They've been found in many places but tucked into the seat springs under any seat is a good place to start looking. I have read of several being found under the rear seat in LMs but they are quite rare to find these days.


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toro V8
65 Monza 455 Toro V8
65 Monza 110 Convertible
65 Monza 4DR 140 PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4DR EJ20T w/5-speed




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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 18, 2018 04:10AM

Well no build sheet, but 5 lbs of old walnuts and other treasures too. It was owned by a Dr in the 70’s and I did find a stethoscope! That has to be a new one interior removal find.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: bbakerga ()
Date: April 18, 2018 05:00AM

Steve, we need pictures! smiling smiley

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 18, 2018 07:03AM

Steve, you checked under all seats, front and rear (bottom and back)?

The build sheets just got crammed random places to "save" that set of interior to that car. Different workers put them different places so anywhere can be fair game...

Not all got left attached to the seat when installed...so it is hit or miss if it was even there when new...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 18, 2018 10:08AM

Steve sent some pic's to my email and said I could post them. They are low res that I made bigger but you can see the car.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 18, 2018 10:09AM

more...and the trim tag verification...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 18, 2018 11:30AM

Love the "Highway Patrol" bumper guards! grinning smiley

Looks very solid and original with a few exceptions.
The SU carb was a performance mod, so that and the gauges seems to say that the Doc liked to move! smoking smiley

Great find! It's going to be fun, fun, FUN!


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 18, 2018 11:31AM

Thanks for posting Rick as reducing them down is a pain for me. We probably should have started another thread since it took me so long, but I guess those really interested will come back to see if they were ever posted. What is the verdict on this carb?

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: April 18, 2018 11:34AM

I like it. (I don't like the speakers in the doors). Love the color of the interior. Is that a big old SU carb.? I wondered if it was a downdraft Holley (?).
I like it.

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 18, 2018 11:47AM

I even found an original boot bag in the trunk. The worse part of the car is a bad dent on the Lf fender at the gas filler door. I am not sure about the condition of the tank yet either. The car is supper solid though and it does not need rocker or floor pan sheet metal, but still a lot of work overall. I plan on getting the brakes working and the car running, but not sure I am the guy to take it as far as it is deserving. I know how much work they are to take to that level. At least it will not be a rat rod as the previous owner was contemplating.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 18, 2018 11:48AM

AH, Maybe this, perhaps:



From Bill Fisher "How to HotRod your Corvair" from back in the late 1960s


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: schuls1 ()
Date: April 18, 2018 12:00PM

Steve,

It appears like a solid, great find! What was the engine ID on the motor?

Stan,
SW Missouri
CORSA, GC

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