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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 06:10AM

Rick,
Do you know when the Plates were embossed and riveted to the frame rail?

I'm aware of the Broadcast sheet that ordered the build, that would contain the appropriate info for the build, and I've seen that an actual copy of that sheet was attached to the body to be built at some point.

I'm pretty sure that the plate was not consulted at the time the rear valence panel was chosen for turbo or non-turbo stamping.

I do know the plate is in place before the painting stages.

Inquiring minds.....


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468



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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 15, 2018 09:45AM

There was another clue this car was a real turbo. When I put the key in and turned it to the first position before starting, I heard the buzzer. All corsa’s were Wired for the buzzer, but only the turbos had them installed from the factory. I put one in my 140 Corsa for basically another idiot light.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 15, 2018 10:48AM

Does this car in question have a buzzer in the ignition? It could have always been added later, but just another data point.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: April 15, 2018 11:02AM

>>Does this car in question have .....<<

Which car?

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: April 15, 2018 11:21AM

I don't think the buzzer was a key buzzer but rather it only came on with excessive heat. My 69 has a key buzzer.

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 12:12PM

Yes, in Bob's (2ragtops) first inquiry about his 1966 Corsa he mentions all the 3 main ingredients - the over-temp buzzer, the fuel return line, the exhaust cut-out.

Bob, If you know the first owner - what do they say about how the Corsa was originally purchased?
Any documents? Window sticker or Protect-O-Plate warranty book or dealer invoice?


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 15, 2018 03:24PM

FWIW Non-turbo Corsas had the overtemp buzzer wiring so all one has to do is to plug in the buzzer and voila! You have a buzzer.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 04:42PM

"plug in the buzzer and voila"

And where does this buzzer materialize from? How many do you have in stock?
As far as I know that was a Corvair Turbo only part.

I've got 2 of them - both in Corsa Turbos.

Much easier said than done. Did you install one in the Turbo Conversion on your Evening Orchid Convertible?


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: April 15, 2018 04:44PM

All ‘68’s and ‘69’s have them too, Dan.

I get nervous about a car anytime I see a nice clean body tag that looks out of place on the otherwise not as clean rear rail.

Mike
YS-117

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 05:01PM

Don't think the key buzzer the same part, Mike.
The speed warning option also had a buzzer, but also different.
May look similar, may even work, but still not the exact same part.

Specific part stampings for the Turbo Corsa Buzzer.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 2ragtops ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:02PM

Dan

The original owner told me that the car was purchased new with a turbo in it.

Several years later, the engine died and they swapped a 140 into it.

The date code on the 140 I took out is nowhere close to build date so I know it is not a part of the original car.

They did not have the original motor so I had to hunt one down.

I and the original owner have no paperwork or documentation for the car, except I did find a build sheet under the back seat, but it only tells color and interior

Bob Bauer

Show-Me Corvairs

1966 Monza Convert 140 P/G with A/C, plastic wheel with tele-column am-fm posi-traction
1966 Corsa Convert 180 wood wheel tele-column am-fm sport steering posi-traction
1965 Corsa Coupe Crown V8 mounted mid-body temporarily red lined for repair
House Springs, Missouri

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:16PM

Dann wrote: "Much easier said than done. Did you install one in the Turbo Conversion on your Evening Orchid Convertible?"

Craig replies: Yes. Also put one in my '66 Sprint way back when. Probably not the exact part number in the latter case but plug and play with some other GM buzzers. 116952 was available OTC until '74 (from parts history) and there are likely NOS ones around too.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:45PM

The buzzer was the similar to many of the horn relays used on other GM vehicles of the same time period. Mike is correct, the 68 and 69s used the same buzzer. You should not hear it when starting the car on a 65 or 66 Corsa. Also note that it wasn't just turbo Corsa models. The 62-64 Spyder should slso have it as well from what I recall.

Lee J



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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 05:49PM

Yes, there are occasionally NOS out there, but rarely.
Lee, I'm sure the later key buzzer is NOT the same.
This shows 3 similar units:



On the left is the correct original from a Turbo Corsa
Middle is a key buzzer from a 1969 - may connect and function !
On the right is a very similar looking common horn relay


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468



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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:06PM

Bottom line: This car will always be controversial because it lacks the body-tag stamp, mistake or not.

I'm perfectly OK with that, you are Dann, and evidently so is the buyer so I guess misery loves controversy! (confused smiley )

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:06PM

Dan, the key buzzer from a 68-69 will still work in place of the original GM part used on the turbo cars. All of the wiring is in place and the connector is the same. But you can find similar parts on Ebay that will work the same
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and this
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Not a big deal unless you are going for a concourse car. There are also good used. I have saved several used ones over the years.

Lee J

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 06:19PM

Yes, Lee, there are other things that could work.
Here we are discussing original parts that would assist in identifying an authentic Turbo Car

Bob says that the original owner says it was a L87 Turbo Corsa, and the Corsa has all the correct authentic parts of one, but the Fisher Body ID plate does not have the 4O code that should be there.

A buyer for an authentic Corsa Turbo car would be wise to see if it has the original equipment buzzer in place, as both of my LM Corsa Turbos (Which also have the 4O code on the Fisher Body ID plate as well.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:22PM

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Steve
When I put the key in and turned it to the first position before starting, I heard the buzzer.

If this happens, key on, engine off, buzzer sounds, on a Corsa or Spyder, then the oil pressure and temperature snap switch wires in the two terminal connector on the rear frame rail are swapped. Just swap them around, and it will work correctly!

The two wires from the engine go into separate plastic one terminal housings, so it is common for them to be plugged into the wrong terminals of the two terminal plastic connector on the engine bay wiring harness.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: April 15, 2018 06:36PM

1966-Corsa-GT-180 Wrote:
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> Yes, Lee, there are other things that could work.
>
> Here we are discussing original parts that would
> assist in identifying an authentic Turbo Car
>
> Bob says that the original owner says it was a L87
> Turbo Corsa, and the Corsa has all the correct
> authentic parts of one, but the Fisher Body ID
> plate does not have the 4O code that should be
> there.
>
> A buyer for an authentic Corsa Turbo car would be
> wise to see if it has the original equipment
> buzzer in place, as both of my LM Corsa Turbos
> (Which also have the 4O code on the Fisher Body ID
> plate as well.

An original buzzer could have been pulled from another car I would never use that as the tell tale as I have pulled used turbo buzzers over the years. As Rick Loving stated earlier; Without the 4O code it gets sketchy as that was the tell tale indicator in the new order broad cast to specify to Fisher Body to use the special rear panel with the cut out. Without other documentation it is very difficult to prove that it was a factory error.

Lee J

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 15, 2018 06:37PM

For reference:



As installed in December of 1965 into my 1966 Corsa Turbo Corsa built in LOS Angeles (Van Nuys) California.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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