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How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 13, 2018 12:59PM

Hi guys, going to look at a Corsa that has a turbo in it, but how do I make sure it was “born” with that engine? I am leaving now to go, so hoping for a quick response. Will post what I find later.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 13, 2018 01:06PM

4th group in Fischer Body Tag O [ l87 turbo engine ]

Must be a CORSA MUST have the tailpipe cutout





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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 13, 2018 01:08PM

Find the body data tag on the rear rail; it's either aft of the distributor or aft of the alternator.

Look at the accessory data lines. This is a group of numbers and letters. Look for #4 followed by an "O". If there's an "O" after the four and before the 5, it's a factory turbo. No "O", not a turbo.

This one is a factory turbo car:

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts




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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 13, 2018 01:56PM

Thanks for the the lighting response! I will let you know how it turns out.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 2ragtops ()
Date: April 13, 2018 03:49PM

Just for the sake of conversation, when I acquired my Corsa, it had a temp buzzer, and fuel return line and a cutout in the rear, but a 140 engine.

The body tag does not contain an "O"

I consulted several of the guru's and they commented that perhaps the body tag was in error. I have very good reason to suspect that the tag is original, as I am the second owner, and I know the first owner.

I am open to any comments on this, I love to learn.

Bob Bauer

Show-Me Corvairs

1966 Monza Convert 140 P/G with A/C, plastic wheel with tele-column am-fm posi-traction
1966 Corsa Convert 180 wood wheel tele-column am-fm sport steering posi-traction
1965 Corsa Coupe Crown V8 mounted mid-body temporarily red lined for repair
House Springs, Missouri

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 13, 2018 05:01PM

Bob,
Let's have a look at the Fisher Body ID Plate and the Engine Code.
Have you examined the rear valence to see if it looks like an original?

I'll post a pic or two of my 1965 LOS Turbo Coupe lower valence exhaust clearance area.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 2ragtops ()
Date: April 14, 2018 09:15AM

Dan

Here is your request

Bob Bauer

Show-Me Corvairs

1966 Monza Convert 140 P/G with A/C, plastic wheel with tele-column am-fm posi-traction
1966 Corsa Convert 180 wood wheel tele-column am-fm sport steering posi-traction
1965 Corsa Coupe Crown V8 mounted mid-body temporarily red lined for repair
House Springs, Missouri

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 14, 2018 12:07PM

Bob,
That cut-out looks quite authentic to me, and the panel to panel seam looks like a clean factory job as well.


Let's see the 140 HP engine date/code on the case forward of the alternator/oil filter adaptor, please.

How was the 140 exhaust routed ?


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 14, 2018 12:52PM

I'd sat we know it didn't come from the factory as a turbo car. Looks really nice nonetheless.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 14, 2018 01:14PM

Craig,
It could easily be an error on the Fisher Body plate.

Until "recently" when these codes were discovered and de-coded, no one gave a second thought to the idea that there would be a way to "know" if a Corsa was a factory turbo without the original Window Sticker or the Protect-O-Plate.

Fisher Body was known to have humans operating that Plate embossing equipment!


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468



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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 4carbcorvair ()
Date: April 14, 2018 01:19PM

The joys of a re-VIN that most seem to think is ok?

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Ronnie
Southern Maine.
www.dirigocorvairs.net
66 Corsa Convertible, 140, 4sp.
65 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.




It doesn't leak, it's marking it's territory.

A mirror is a reflection of the miles travelled.

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Date: April 14, 2018 02:22PM

Ronnie,
What does the VIN have to do with the Turbo question?
Answer: Nothing.
Only the Code on the Fisher Body ID plate along with the proper valence, fuel return and buzzer go to make a Corsa body into a Turbo Corsa body.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: April 14, 2018 02:24PM

Dann wrote:: "Craig, It could easily be an error on the Fisher Body plate."

Craig replies: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the body constructed according to the body tag (not the reverse)?

Also FWIW, when I converted my '65 to a turbo (fully disclosed to buyer), I had my body guy cut and "dolly" the metal to an exact reproduction of the factory stamped panel. It's not that hard to do that right.

I believe that car left the factory with only one body option: 5Y; Custom Deluxe Front & Rear Seat Belts with Front Retractors. It's missing the one and only element that guarantees it's a factory turbo, i.e. body code 4O

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 4carbcorvair ()
Date: April 14, 2018 02:34PM

Dan.

Answer: A lot. If someone swapped the VIN and/or body tag, it's not going to show it's true bloodline if you will.

It makes determining a cars truth harder to determine. And some seem to think VIN/tag swaps are ok. This is one of the reasons it shouldn't be done.

As Craig mentioned, it's not difficult to do.

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Ronnie
Southern Maine.
www.dirigocorvairs.net
66 Corsa Convertible, 140, 4sp.
65 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.




It doesn't leak, it's marking it's territory.

A mirror is a reflection of the miles travelled.



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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: April 14, 2018 02:38PM

Craig, that is a really oil free Corvair engine bottom side you have. Good work. I'm Waiting on Steve T. to post the results on his turbo find. Jim

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OT: Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2018 03:23PM

Jim Stukenborg Wrote:
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> Craig, that is a really oil free Corvair engine
> bottom side you have. Good work.
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Key WordS.... Good Work! Easy to do if you just keep after it until dry!

Max places to leak? 128 iirc from Fred K.'s book on leaks..





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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: 66ragcorsa ()
Date: April 14, 2018 09:36PM

I purchased the vehicle. It is a real 66 turbo convert barn find. Cosmetically it is not pretty, but very solid car that was stored for 42 years. Engine turns over and with key, but everything needs to be redone. I will post pics once I have it home and give more details. The knowledge and support on this board is incredible. Thanks once again to all that chimmed in.

Steve T
Michigan
1966 Corsa Convertible
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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:16AM

Steve,could you please share a picture of the Fisher Tag and engine code once you get some pics.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:36AM

Hmm... In regards to the 5Y turbo cutout car, here is my .02 (so take it that value). I will start off as saying that I have dozens of error stamped codes in my collection, it is easy to see a stamping error when it is flat out wrong or missing from a required spot. A missing stamp from a variable field like the ACC line is something else. The body tag was the template to tell the Fisher body guys what panels to use while assembling the body and line workers to use certain parts. I could understand some descepncies happening but would be amazed that any quality team or final inspection would allow the car out with the turbo cutout and 140 exhaust. I sure can't say it didn't happen. Without many more pic and alot more info, maybe something could be cleared up.

On the 5y car, a few more question need to be answered.

Is the car original paint?

Was the original owner and Corvair enthusiast and/or good paint and body guy?

Any supporting paperwork?

Does the original 140 engine exist and what is the date code?

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: How do I know if this Corsa is a “real turbo”?
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: April 15, 2018 05:58AM

In the currency, coin, and stamp collecting world mistakes are worth more.

Dare I say that a mistake on a Fisher Body Tag could increase a cars value.

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