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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 02:35AM

Final test stand idle was 600 rpm. In drive, it should be correct. But after installation, carbs will be checked again and adjusted as necessary

For those people interested. The carbs on the Mouse House 110 engine are a set that were off a LM parked for 30+ years in a field. Carbs were in terrible condition. I was able to clean them thoroughly. I rebuilt them using a kit I had from Clark's and a Viton accelerator pump cup from John Sweet. These were the first set of Corvairs carbs I ever rebuilt. BUT I used Bob Helt's as my instructional guide and had a Delco carb illustration of the carb from a kit that helped. I guess you could say the rebuilds were successful, since they could be adjusted to bring engine into specs. The first drive up to speed will be final proof.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 21, 2018 08:26AM

thumbs upthumbs up
Way to go Al!

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MtnVairMike ()
Date: November 21, 2018 08:28AM

Al

Great job and very nice to meet you at Vairs In The Valley and buy much needed parts from you.

Mike

1966 Monza Convertible, 140HP-4 speed, Ermine White

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 10:53AM

Mike:

It was nice to meet you. Maybe I will have a Vair ready for the next Springfest or Vairs in the Valley. Fingers are crossed.

Engine had valve clatter again this morning. I added 3 caps of ATF fluid to 2 quarts of gas in tank and run it for 10 minutes. No change yet. Had to shutdown as welder and his son are here and the Harley mufflers do create more noise when not under a car.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 21, 2018 11:01AM

Al, how much of a turn past Zero lash?

Also...give it time!! gg

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 11:12AM

Rick adjusted them hot. So I no longer have a reference to the adjustment.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 21, 2018 11:14AM

They did get quiet after he adjusted?


Give it time..

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 11:21AM

Yes they did. But it seems to come and go. We noticed we had one intake valve that is sticky. I am betting on that valve is the issue. It is on the head I got got from Tom Could. The other head is quiet. We also had to disassemble all the lifters and clean them since they were locked up. This was the first set we cleaned. But all were cleaned the same way. So I don't attribute issue to the lifters being dirty. They operated fine when the were dry.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 21, 2018 11:48AM

A little Marvel Mystery oil in the Test Stand's fuel tank.... always good when started an engine that has sat for year..

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 12:24PM

None here at the hanger. That is why the ATF was added. Keep running until I get home and bring back the quart I have on the shelf for tomorrow's runs. Lots to do on the new home and engine can get some cycles in between work on the new home.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: C95 ()
Date: November 21, 2018 12:51PM

Thanks for this run down..Down right inspirational for my C95 resto..my 110 is squeaky clean but not run in nobody knows how many years and I also have to convert to PG..thinking of pre oiling with a drill via distributor hole before attempting start..

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 21, 2018 01:04PM

I am glad the info is helpful.

Here is the tool I used to spin the oil pump. Highly recommend getting or making one fro an old distributor. You can put out a request on the forum and someone will help you get one. Donny suggest trying with with a cut-off screwdriver in a drill. Could damage bore of housing.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 21, 2018 01:45PM

Lane66m Wrote:
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> Donny suggested trying with with a cut-off screwdriver in
> a drill. Could damage bore of housing.

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Rubber hose over screwdriver shaft prevents that

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 22, 2018 04:01PM

Another hour of running with MMO in the fuel and down the carb throat with no change in the clatter. Took off the left valve cover after setting #1 TDC and found #4 exhaust and #6 intake lifters had not pump up.yet.

Decided since we disassembled and cleaned these lifters, that maybe we did not do it right. I have a set of rebuilt lifters I got with the Greenbrier. They will be installed on the left side tomorrow to see if we get an improvement.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 22, 2018 04:51PM

Lane66m Wrote:
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> Another hour of running with MMO in the fuel and
> down the carb throat with no change in the
> clatter. Took off the left valve cover after
> setting #1 TDC and found #4 exhaust and #6 intake
> lifters had not pump up.yet.
>
> Decided since we disassembled and cleaned these
> lifters, that maybe we did not do it right. I
> have a set of rebuilt lifters I got with the
> Greenbrier. They will be installed on the left
> side tomorrow to see if we get an improvement.


I don't think you messed up the lifters, that's pretty hard to do plus most are working. What I would try next is pulling the distributor and spin the oil pump up to pressure, then turn it over slowly by hand. Some how that seems to fill the lifters better than running. Also, I use a .001" feeler to set the zero lash rather than the spin method and make sure that cylinder is at TDC. Only takes a little longer and less chance to mess up.

J.O.

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2010 BMW F 650 GS
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2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 25, 2018 05:46PM

I have pulled all the lifters tonight. I am not trusting my rebuilding of them to chance. It is the first time I ever attempted cleaning and reassembling them. I always used new lifters on the water pumpers I rebuilt.

Tomorrow I will have a person who has lifter experience looking over me as I take them apart again, do another cleaning and assembly. Refilling of the lifters will also be done. Not just submerging in oil for 24 hours. We should know tomorrow if we will use a set of rebuilds done by knowledge person or these. I can use the ones from the Big Valve 110 engine I have stored. By Wednesday, we should have a running engine again.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 25, 2018 06:32PM

Al!! you are not "rebuilding"... no one does more than Clean /Test and reface...

And sell them as rebuilt!

Where did you get the idea to soak in oil? If they leak badly they might fill..

The piston has to move up and down to transfer oil from the gallery holes to the inside..

After Clean / re-assembly... you put them in super thin oil and with a Large
Phillips plunge the piston until they get hard and touch the snap ring..

Then set them out and set 24 hrs... then try to plunge the piston... if it moves... junk! Rock hard.... good!

As the engine cranks they will bleed down... and our engines are NON- Interference ... so no need to worry.

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: November 25, 2018 06:40PM

X2, exactly Matt, Jerk off method, can I say that here, since everything is still in the engine I would have tried spinning the oil pump method before removing them.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
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Coleman HS 500 UTV
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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 25, 2018 06:47PM

Actually on a used engine that has set for a long time... After having this problem.... pull the front lifter on that side and crank / turn pump and see if oil is flowing into that Lifter bore..

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Re: Reviving an old 110
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: November 25, 2018 07:02PM

All the rockers had oil on them. All rods but one drained oil when removed, so oiling not the problem. Got to recheck cleanliness of that rod. My cleaning of the lifters is suspect, like the little check ball in bottom is stuck. I did not check that operation. These lifters were really gummed up when we got them out of the engine. So another cleaning, with Rick looking on for the first few to make I have learned the right techniques. I will use your info also.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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