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Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: February 28, 2018 11:17AM

Just a quick question...or two. First off, I have a 1960 Corvair. First question. I believe it is a 700, but have no clue how to tell. Second question. Is the positive cable going from the battery to the starter a 6 gauge wire? Third question. My starter is just clicking when trying to turn it over. Any thoughts? My only solution is to get 6 gauge wire from the battery to the starter, because the wire on there right now is not 6 gauge.

Please help! tongue sticking out smiley

Thanks,
16 year old Joshua

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 28, 2018 11:29AM

Josh... please attach a picture of your engine compartment... worth 1,000 words.


To tell what model you have

Open driver's door and look at Stainless tag.... give us what's on it.

Starter just clicking? Is your battery charged? What voltage is it as it sets..





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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: March 01, 2018 07:21AM

I attached an image of my engine compartment, the tag on the left side of the engine compartment, and the only plate on the drivers side, which I think is the VIN number? I am clueless. Anyways, I checked that battery, it is getting 11.95 volts, and the starter is only getting just under 6 when trying to start her up! I think I am going to try and get the 6 gauge wire and pray that works.

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 01, 2018 08:07AM

Vin tag in door is painted over

Yes you have a 700 sedan

Vin decoder is in our FAQ's

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: March 01, 2018 08:44AM

Alright, thanks very much.

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: March 01, 2018 08:59AM

That battery needs to be charged. 11.95 is essentially dead. You can test this by checking the voltage at the battery while attempting to start the engine just like you checked the voltage at the starter. Then you can compare the two and see how much voltage drop you have over the wire to see if it is too small but it won't be a good comparison since the battery is dead.

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: WCcorsa ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:03AM

You need to attach the ground wire from the body post to the engine.

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:03AM

jhs0718 Wrote:
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> Is the positive cable going from the
> battery to the starter a 6 gauge wire?

Factory? I believe yes... But yours is likely OK Clean all connections!


> My starter is just clicking when trying to turn it over. Any thoughts?

I asked before is battery Charged 12.6 volts?

The clicking is the starter's Solenoid

Have you ever had this engine Running? Have YOU driven the car?





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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:06AM

Good eye WC!!





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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:07AM

Typical positive and negative gauge wires are 4 gage wires, better to go 2 gage if you can.

Make sure your battery connections are clean and the negative connection on the engine head is clean and has the serrated star washer for good grounding. Of course Positive cable on starter post must be tight along with all other being tight.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:15AM

This engine was running and I have driven it quite a few times. I have always had a problem with the battery and starter. First, my other battery died, then the starter went out and we got a rebuilt from corvair.com. So, this is a new rebuilt starter and a new battery. As I said it is only giving off 11.95 volts. I am not very familiar with any of this stuff, that is the reason I am asking questions and trying to get this thing driving before this year's cruise.

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:34AM

Battery is Flat! [ discharged ]

Get a battery charger and charge it overnight..





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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:48AM

I will charge it...where is he saying to put the negative wire? Picture?

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: March 01, 2018 09:54AM

A 60 shop manual would be helpful to you.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 01, 2018 10:07AM

jhs0718 Wrote:
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> I will charge it...where is he saying to put the
> negative wire? Picture?

On a 3/8" bolt on the top of the cylinder head...next to fan shroud.







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Re: Battery and Starter
Date: March 01, 2018 10:09AM

jhs0718 Wrote:
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>...where is he saying to put the
> negative wire? Picture?
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Besides the ground wire from the battery to the body frame rail, it also needs a wire from that point on to the engine itself.
The engine and starter are isolated by rubber mounts, so it needs to have it's own ground path to the battery.


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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: March 01, 2018 03:57PM

See figure 49 of the 1965 Corvair Chassis and Shop manual, GM used #6 for the battery to starter and battery to engine cables! They work fine, since they are so short.

61 to 64 Corvairs used a similar sized braided strap for the battery to chassis and generator rear bolt (engine ground).

Yes, there needs to be a connection between engine and chassis and battery large enough to carry the starter current. Just grounding the battery to the chassis is not enough.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: March 02, 2018 09:43AM

I see you've got an alternator, replacing the original generator. Looks like it has creative wiring.
Need to make sure that the battery is being charged!

Kevin
Medina, OH

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: jhs0718 ()
Date: March 02, 2018 09:59AM

Haha! Most of the crazy wiring you see is for the tail lights that were getting a bit wacky due to the lack of a ground wire. You do NOT want to see what the tail light inside looks like!

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Re: Battery and Starter
Posted by: Chris Lampe ()
Date: March 02, 2018 01:01PM

Joshua,

As WCcorsa stated you need a ground wire from the chassis to the engine. Also your battery should be 12.6 volts when fully charged with no load applied.



Chris
Rowlett, Tx
NTCA - North Texas Corvair Association
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