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Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:07AM

Starter nose broke.Before it broke starter nose the starter sounded very bad.Tried 2 more stock starters(used) with similar results.Teeth on torque converter look ok but I have seen better.Car now starts ok with a 250 dollar billet gear reduction starter from ebay but still sound like s__t when engaged.Should I just pull the powerpack and change the converter to fix the problem?

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:17AM

I would!





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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:46AM

You have looked at ALL the teeth on the ring gear? They usually wear in specific spots. Then you can turn the torque converter 120 degrees on the converter to flex plate bolts to get new surfaces to grind upon. I'll post a picture later of what bad teeth on a torque converter look like.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:48AM

Here is link to picture:

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: irfgt ()
Date: February 26, 2018 12:06PM

Frank DuVal Wrote:
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> You have looked at ALL the teeth on the ring gear?
> They usually wear in specific spots. Then you can
> turn the torque converter 120 degrees on the
> converter to flex plate bolts to get new surfaces
> to grind upon. I'll post a picture later of what
> bad teeth on a torque converter look like.


Huh?

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: February 26, 2018 01:06PM

I know, hard to describe, but not too hard to do.

If you suspect the ring gear teeth are worn in the spot the engine normally stops (it really does not stop in random places like I thought), remove the front engine sheet metal piece (firewall area), pop off the little cover to expose the three torque converter to flex plate bolts (as you rotate the crank you can access all three), remove the three bolts, hold the torque converter still and rotate the engine until the next flex plate bolt hole lines up with a torque converter nut and reinstall all three bolts.

Now the starter will grab fresh teeth to start the engine. My friend did this to my daughter's car several years before we bought it and we got 4 or so years before it broke another nose and I changed out the converter. Not a "fix" persay, but a delay of replacement.winking smiley

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: February 26, 2018 01:30PM

Sounds logical.I will give it a try.Thanks.

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:22PM

If you do the rotate the torque converter trick and the sound the starter makes changes, then you know you are on the troubleshooting track of time to replace the torque converter.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: February 26, 2018 09:30PM

You can actually turn the convertor more easily by using a 3/4 wrench on the harmonic balancer or pulley bolt. No need to take anything apart.

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: February 27, 2018 08:53AM

Take apart? You must take parts apart to remove the three torque converter bolts.

Now, if one is just turning the converter to examine the ring gear through the large air cooling hole, then no parts need to be removed.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Don1963 ()
Date: March 05, 2018 12:56PM

I recently parted out a 66 powerglide Monza. I am sure I have all of the parts you would need to fix your 65. I don't have anyone interested in the powerglide trans or the starter or ring gear that I have.

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Don1963 ()
Date: March 07, 2018 08:24AM

By the way, I saw it mentioned about there being 3 bolts on the torque converter. Where are they and how do I access them? I have the engine and torque converter exposed and sitting on a cart.

66 Corsa 110 4spd 3.55 posi

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 07, 2018 08:26AM

Top of bellhousing... metal clip on plate. Remove it and you'll see.





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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: jcorvair ()
Date: March 07, 2018 09:08AM

Matt, that assumes the metal plate is still in placespinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: March 14, 2018 08:55AM

Pulled the transaxle put of my 70,000 mile original powerglide car with the starter/flywheel problem.After 50+ years,the cast iron differential case and the aluminum bell housing had a long unhappy marriage.The bell housing corroded and expanded so that the diff case was pulled away from bell housing in the area of the starter making the starter not mesh properly with the flywheel gear.After much cleaning ,scraping and grinding I had the surfaces back to how they should be.I have not put it back together yet but I am pretty sure it will be fixed when done.I will post when finished.



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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: March 14, 2018 09:20AM

From memory, somewhere in the SM it recommends anti seize or something at the connection point.

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: March 14, 2018 10:17AM

I remember buying a Never-Seize or such name product in a metal can, packed in a cardboard box for shelf display in the store back in the late 70s. In the box was an instruction sheet for the uses of this product. One picture showed the Corvair transaxle to aluminum bellhousing surfaces as a perfect use for the product.

Frank DuVal

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: March 14, 2018 10:20AM

Thump.... since you don't have a Sig line.... where are you located? and where was this car most of it's life?

I've never seen corrosion there on the West Coast..





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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: thumper477 ()
Date: March 14, 2018 11:28AM

I am in Tn but car was up north for a long time before I got it.It did sit inside a pole barn for 12-15 years prior to my purchase.The mouse houses in the rear qtr panels and inside the heating system were spectacular.

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Re: Broken starter nose on 1965 powerglide car.
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: March 14, 2018 11:33AM

Probably mouse urine caused the corrosion.

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