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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: February 08, 2018 04:34AM

I didn't know what B-I-L meant. Google says Baby In Love.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: February 08, 2018 04:43AM

Brother in Law

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: February 08, 2018 05:18AM

toms73novass Wrote:
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> Brother in Law

correct.

1961 rampside with a 65 / 67 110 engine, car four speed.
Now I have 1965 convertible as well, got it running in June, autocrossed in July 2016 at the convention!

KC0SKX
Olathe, ks
HACOA

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: geezer43 ()
Date: February 08, 2018 06:56AM

I am having good results with the fuel pump(s) I bought from NAPA. The last fuel pump (on the car over 9 years and before I bought it) broke at the shaft so I replaced it with a unit from NAPA and no problems in the past two years. Of course, I carry a spare, also from NAPA.

Jim Johnson, Chandler, Arizona
63 Monza convertible

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: Bob G ()
Date: February 10, 2018 06:35PM

Lon What do you recommend? I almost burned my Corvair up. A 5 year old fuel pump gushed fuel all over my harmonic balancer and sprayed all over the engine. I caught it idling with the lid up. If I were going to drive it I would have had a serious engine fire and lost my car!Bob G.

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: February 10, 2018 07:25PM

Sigh. I have long preferred manual pumps for simplicity. That said I'm working on changing all my cars over to electric for the reasons in this thread. To many leakers and bad or loose valves. Got my rampside about converted today.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/10/2018 07:26PM by The Stig.

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: REM654DPG ()
Date: February 11, 2018 08:48PM

As I’m not a strict advocate for either electric or mechanical and have run both types I do also favor the mechanical for its simplicity. Sorry this is long but there’s a lot to say about this.
As we all know, unfortunately you can’t trust most aftermarket mass produced remanufactured parts to always be good right out of the box and that’s just the norm even if they are all new parts. Brake master and wheel cylinders, carburetors, distributors, oil pumps etc. Everything has to be disassembled, inspected, massaged, re-adjusted, detailed etc. to ensure it’s what you expected it to be.
But, there is glimmer of hope for those that want to use a mechanical pump as I have found a good source for rebuild parts that has worked well for me if you want to rebuild an original or new pump.

There is a company in Massachusetts [www.then-now-auto.com] that makes fuel pump kits that so far I have found to be made from quality materials. You can’t order from their website so you need to call and tell them what you need. The only problem I had with their Corvair kit was the base gasket. For some reason it’s made from a different material than the diaphragm and it was not punched with the offset hole – they are evenly spaced and by the time you stretch the hole into place it still will not work in my opinion to provide a positive seal. I tried and tried to get them to understand the problem but they said no one else has complained and wouldn’t listen so I gave up and had gasket specialties here in Portland make me a batch of correct ones.

To make this kit work you need to do what Matt says and machine and sand all the surfaces absolutely flat. To do this you’ll need a lathe and a granite plate – not glass or flat metal, and a sheet of 180 grit paper. The center plate in between the two diaphragm pieces can also be removed and sanded flat. The valves are large bodied and fit nice but should be staked. Once assembled you won’t need to overtighten the screws as everything is nice and flat but they do need to be checked once and a while.

These kits and procedures have worked well for me but of course nothing is ever fail proof and even these could leak in time but so far so good.

If you ever buy one of these kits and need one of the correct base gaskets I would gladly send you one as I have a few extras. I’ve posted a few pictures just for the visual but hope this helps.

Thanks, Regan Metcalf, Portland OR

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: REM654DPG ()
Date: February 11, 2018 08:49PM

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: February 11, 2018 09:07PM

Nice work (as always) Regan! I have a bucket of pumps I've been saving for the day someone made rebuild kits. Yeah! smileys with beer

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 11, 2018 09:09PM

Is the spring correct for 3psi instead of the 6psi most of the aftermarket pumps are coming with?

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: REM654DPG ()
Date: February 11, 2018 09:12PM

That's one thing I have not checked but I know I should. I guess since I haven't had any issues with the stock carbs I didn't worry about it. Thanks for the reminder.

Regan

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: February 11, 2018 10:14PM

Well, I see a new vendor in the making here.


REM Machining and Rebuilds.
"We do Heads, Diffs, And Pumps"

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 12, 2018 06:27AM

I emailed them to ask about buying some kits and see if they fixed the gasket. This was their response

Hi Joel ,
 I'm sorry .He has never gotten this taken care of . We can not offer the Corvair kits

Lisa Pawlik
Then And Now Automotive

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: REM654DPG ()
Date: February 12, 2018 11:08AM

Well that sucks, so much for that little glimmer of hope. I guess it has been a while since I've ordered some of their kits. I did call them to verify and they said more kits might be available in the future but they didn't seem to show much interest. Sorry all for the false hope on this one - looks like we're back to the electric pumps for now which is still a good option unless some of these other available mechanicals are fixable.

Regan Metcalf
Portland, OR

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 12, 2018 11:19AM

I've been emailing back and forth with them and they say that the design for the correct gasket is done but the machinist is out for surgery so they don't know when it will be available. Interesting conclusion after the initial response they gave me.
How much were the kits when they had them?

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: REM654DPG ()
Date: February 12, 2018 11:30AM

The kits were about $45.00 which I know is not cheap but they are decent kit's - aside from the base gasket. And I know some could buy new pumps for that amount but in the end the cost becomes a somewhat mute point if the pump is not going to last very long.

Let's hope that their machinist does well post surgery and they can make us more kits in the near future.

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: February 12, 2018 11:40AM

Lisa said she will contact me as soon as she has more news.

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: February 12, 2018 12:02PM

Joel and Reagan: THanks for the online updates.smileys with beer

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: rick4130 ()
Date: February 12, 2018 01:19PM

I forgot all about that place!! Keep on them....even if they made the right gasket meterials available that's way ahead of the situation now!

Rick MacDonald
'63 700 Sedan

rick4130@yahoo.com

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Re: Another ridiculous fuel pump failure - 18 mo/ 1 mile
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 13, 2018 05:01PM

I had called them twice during the past year or so. Got the answer it was in the Q but not ready t go.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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