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215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: dooee567 ()
Date: January 28, 2018 10:50AM

Anyone know if I can hook it up to a corvair power glide if so what modifications are needed to make it work with the flexplate?

Is the Flex-plate bolt pattern be the same on the 215 crank?

What all needs to be done to the 215 to make it compatible to use a Corvair drivetrai?

What motor mounts to use?

Anyone know where to get reversed gears for the distributor and cam? Or Can the be made by a machine shop?

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: January 28, 2018 11:07AM

Sadly it's a lot easier to search here and find the info you want... been covered many times.... than it is to find the parts!

Plus you are dealing with a 55 year old engine...

Much faster and more economical to use a newer powerpack... which will include a transaxle..

Wanting to keep it in the rear makes it more difficult!

Your best bet is to wait for a complete pkg. to come up... just drive your Vair in the mean time..





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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: January 28, 2018 11:28AM

Craig Nicol (cnicol here) has 3.5/L/spd in rear of his LM. Chance Parker (chanceparker here) has more modern choice; an LS in rear of his Late convert and Porsche 5spd.

You can search the two above easily to visit with them. Also a local fellow here has big 3.5L in rear of his 65. Name is George Evans but I don't know his screen name. You can see the car and probably contact info for George at the v8 registry website, also several other 3.5L conversions.

Kennedy Engineered Products used to offer a kit for Corvair PG but I doubt there was much interest in using an automatic trans.


Good luck with your project.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: BamBamm13 ()
Date: January 28, 2018 11:30AM

We already have two of the Buick 215's.
Isky said they can make us the cam.
Found a guy who can make us the adapter.
The part I haven't found is the distributor gear.

I've been searching/researching this for months. We are not going to use a modern engine or transaxle.
Want it to be something that would have been done in the 70s to 80s

West Garden Grove, CA



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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: January 28, 2018 11:45AM

Just for a brief moment I thought 215 Pontiac Stovebolt...that would be different.

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: January 28, 2018 11:51AM

Jim Briggs (Ventura,CA) has a 215PG in a '66. He has also reproduced the cam and distributor gears, though that was about 10 years ago. At the very least he might be able to provide you with manufacturing sources.

My 215 (now 255.4.1L) sits behind a '66 manual transaxle.

The flexplate bolt pattern is different than Corvair, as is the spacing from the starter. you will have to have a custom flexplate or adapter.

As for the motor mount, I used stock 215 mounts along with a custom-made "under the engine" affair that bolts to the side rails. You can't use a rear mount like the Corvair's.

You will have to fabricate a pulley and bracket system for engine accessories to accommodate running the waterpump off the backside of the belt and you'll have to fabricate a cam thrust system an internal oiling system for the distributor gears since the cast-in dripper doesn't work in reverse rotation.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: January 28, 2018 12:20PM

Ken Arnold has one that he drag races with a PG. I think his name on here is Kenvair

Lee J

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: January 28, 2018 12:25PM

Close-up of the motor mount in the first shot and a sense of the required frame notch in the second, and an overall shot of the motor mount in the third.

Here's a link to my main build thread:Click Here

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts




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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: January 28, 2018 02:50PM

Craig - Do you know the distance from the mounting face of your adapter - the plane where the adapter contacts the differential face to the end of the drive pulley. That would be the thickness of the adapter, plus the overall length of the 215?

Seth Emerson

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: January 28, 2018 06:51PM

Ken Arnold has made at least three adapters to hook up a 215 or a 215/266 V-8 to a Corvair PG transaxle. I have on of them in a car Ken helped built. Maybe he will make another if you can't find one. I believe Ken also made the flex plate. Now if you decide to add the 300 Buick crank to get the extra 51 cubic inches I believe it will affect the dimensions of the adapter by 3/8 of an inch. Sorry Matt, but any late model transaxle will have the engine facing the wrong way. Some times you just have to go with form over function. Jim

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: January 28, 2018 08:07PM

Seth Emerson Wrote:
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> Craig - Do you know the distance from the mounting
> face of your adapter - the plane where the adapter
> contacts the differential face to the end of the
> drive pulley. That would be the thickness of the
> adapter, plus the overall length of the 215?

I'll be getting the car out of storage next week. I'll measure then. I'll say this: since I went with a serpentine belt (about a 1" wide pulley) rather than a v-belt 1/2" wide pulley, I had to remove some some sheet metal on the rear air grille. The lip of the pulley is actually outside the car a little. This does make use of a timing light much easier. grinning smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: dragvairclark ()
Date: January 29, 2018 04:45AM

Things to ponder: Why couldn't you just run the distributor backwards? Turn advance weights upside down? Why couldn't you shift the powertrain forward a couple of inches by altering the horse collar. The axles (on a late) could just angle backwards to meet the rear hubs. Yes this would require realignment of rear wheels.

Clark Hartzel, Fraser, MI
1965 Monza coupe

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: January 29, 2018 08:04AM

Clark, If I remember correctly, moving the engine forward,is just what Ken Arnold did with his drag car. Jim

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Jim Stukenborg ()
Date: January 29, 2018 08:29AM

Dooee, here is an OSHA approved cover for that crank pulley. The pulley is fully enclosed behind the flap. Jim





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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: kenvair ()
Date: January 29, 2018 08:36AM

Clark, the distributor drives the oil pump which has to continue to turn clockwise and the engine can be moved approx. 2 inches forward without moving the horse collar. It's a simple bolt-on process and I can explain to anyone interested. Ken Arnold

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: glivorsi ()
Date: January 29, 2018 08:43AM

dragvairclark Wrote:
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> Things to ponder: Why couldn't you just run the
> distributor backwards? Turn advance weights
> upside down? Why couldn't you shift the
> powertrain forward a couple of inches by altering
> the horse collar. The axles (on a late) could
> just angle backwards to meet the rear hubs. Yes
> this would require realignment of rear wheels.

The axles on a late form part of the suspension. That would throw the geometry out of whack.

Greg in Wildwood, MO (part of the St. Louis urban sprawl)

1965 Monza Vert 110PG, Crocus Yellow with black interior and top

2014 Honda Accord V6 (DD)
2017 Honda Pilot (wifemobile)
2012 Chevy Sonic 1.8L (kid's car)
1997 Honda CBR1100XX
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 (no longer own)

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: January 29, 2018 08:53AM

The OP hasn't responded since the first post. I wonder if he asked the question in multiple forums?

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: Chilly Willy ()
Date: January 29, 2018 09:03AM

Seem to be getting that more lately. Thread started and no responses to questions in the replies.




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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: BamBamm13 ()
Date: January 29, 2018 09:10AM

Thank you all soo much!
This some of the info I've been looking for.

I do have a 300 Buick sitting in my garage...

West Garden Grove, CA

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Re: 215 in my 65 monza
Posted by: BamBamm13 ()
Date: January 29, 2018 09:14AM

My father in law doesn't spend much time here.

I know he emailed you with some questions
about this conversion at some point and you gave him a lot of info.

West Garden Grove, CA

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