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Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 10, 2018 10:25PM

I plan to trailer the Firebrier to shows, but there is no way I can afford an enclosed trailer, especially one that will fit a vehicle ~82" tall. The additional height comes from the siren, beacon light, etc., on the roof.

For long-distance trips, I was planning to make a custom cover using a fabric called HyperD 300 diamond ripstop polyester (hyperlink), which is super light-weight with a soft rubber-like inner surface. The cover will be contoured to fit the van and the roof equipment, which will fit within a large piece of aerodynamically shaped foam rubber. Currently I'm thinking that removing the side mirrors (and antenna) would be easiest.

But I get mixed messages about trailering a vehicle under a cover, with some sources saying that the flapping of the cover in the wind will ruin the paint. I was hoping that this would not be a problem with a well fit cover made out of the light-weight fabric. But can people advise me on this.
Thanks,
Steve

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: January 10, 2018 10:49PM

I say forget it...





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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: January 10, 2018 10:52PM

I do not know about the flapping cloth, but it makes some sense.
But, If you are afraid of flying rocks and debris, I can tell you from 300,000 miles of trailer pulling experience, that 99.9% of flying objects are coming from the tow vehicle kicking it up.
I would tend to think that if you have a flatbed trailer, you should be safe with a single wall built across the front of it.
I am sure that you have seen many race-car trailers constructed in this fashion.

You can see some examples of what I mean here. > open race trailers <

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: January 10, 2018 10:59PM

Steve,

I remember one of the very early Fan Belt Toss had a great paint job scratched up by the wind on the way home from a soft car cover on an open trailer.

Would suggest you not use a cover.

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Date: January 10, 2018 11:04PM

Steve,

Check out this thread about a nifty erected cover that Nick found for his trailer.



I'm sure you can find a way to construct a similar system for your trailer.

A light-weight cover will move in the wind and surely damage the finish.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: January 11, 2018 03:17AM

No cover! It will cause damage. Good advice from Dan.

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 11, 2018 03:32AM

Thanks All!
I really like the Serpent Express (erector-set + canvas) option. I'll see if they can make one for a Greenbrier-plus.
Steve

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: January 11, 2018 04:13AM

One last piece of advice: You can never overbuild your rig. Use the biggest, strongest truck and best trailer that you can afford, and you won't regret it a bit.

And BTW, do the same with the trailer equipment; best sway control, braking system, tiedowns, etc.

Call on me if you are in need of any advice. Been there, done that.

-Mark

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: January 11, 2018 04:29AM

American Mel Wrote:
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> I do not know about the flapping cloth, but it
> makes some sense.
> But, If you are afraid of flying rocks and debris,
> I can tell you from 300,000 miles of trailer
> pulling experience, that 99.9% of flying objects
> are coming from the tow vehicle kicking it up.
> I would tend to think that if you have a flatbed
> trailer, you should be safe with a single wall
> built across the front of it.
> I am sure that you have seen many race-car
> trailers constructed in this fashion.
>
> You can see some examples of what I mean here. >
> open race trailers <

Agree 100% with this statement. A good set of mud flaps on the back of the tow vehicle wouldn’t hurt either.

I can also vouch for problems with towing tarped cars. Paint can be damaged in a few miles. Either the edges of the tarp or from debris under it. Towing a tarped car is a bad idea.

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: January 11, 2018 04:53AM

Dan...you beat me to it! Yes check out Serpent Express. Larry Johnson is the owner/operator and they are out of Utah. I built mine on my open trailer myself but you can buy them already built from Serpent Express. He can custom make the cover to whatever height you want/need.

Nick
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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: Kyle_in_Mich ()
Date: January 11, 2018 06:10AM

Having seen vehicles after they were towed with a loose cover over them, don't do it for anything in better condition than a scrap car.

a simple deflector on the leading edge of the trailer will go a long way to protecting the vehicle being towed.

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Traverse City,MI
Daily driver- Bicycle
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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: January 11, 2018 07:32AM

I get that you put a ton of work into the firebrier but are you not going to drive it at all?

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 11, 2018 07:35AM

Only to fires smiling smiley

Actually, I'll drive it to local shows, but not long distances.
Steve

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: moomba32 ()
Date: January 11, 2018 08:48AM

For me towing the car is not because I don't think it'll make the trip, probably will but for me it's comfort and convenience. The Tahoe is a comfortable ride, my wife is normally with me and that would be a loaded car plus when we get there we have 2 cars which equals freedom to separate without worry.

Don Marlowe
66 Monza 2Dr 140/pg
64 Spyder convertible now, 110/pg
Eutawville SC

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: blackspyder ()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:05AM

I hope the Firebrier is at the convention in Pittsburgh. I really wanna see that completed.

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:23AM

That's the plan, and the Convention Organizers have provided an indoor display location. All I need is to get the painting finished (maybe next week) and get it reassembled.
Steve

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: January 11, 2018 11:32AM

Summer... no AC it goes on a trailer!!! gg





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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: January 12, 2018 04:55AM

The erected set-up pictured above has minimal frontal area which isn't possible with your Greenbrier.
Curtainside and conastoga type semi trailers usually have a metal front bulkhead and then tarp on the sides and rear. They often have an entrance door in the bulkhead too.
I like the enclosed trailer idea where the front is slanted to utilize the front of the trailer leading to the tongue as inside area too.
I don't know anything about it but was just wondering about a large frontal area with all the wind resistance against a flat tarp, especially being 7' tall.
A Greenbrier with rear view mirrors is pretty wide to be contained within the fenders on a car trailer, enclosed trailers usually have the wheel well hump inside.
Just some thoughts and interested to see what you come up with.
Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 12, 2018 05:30AM

Hi Jim,
I too have been worried about the large flat front. I have sent an inquiry to Serpent Express and will be interested to see what they recommend.
Steve

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Re: Need Firebrier trailering advice
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: January 12, 2018 05:37AM

Start looking for a used enclosed trailer, they are out there even tall ones. This past summer there was one that sold for under $3,000. It needed very little work.
The Tahoe is a minimal tow vehicle, while it will pull a trailer you also have to figure the weight of the vehicle being put on the trailer. I bet the Firebrier comes in at at least 3000#, might even be 3500#.
You also need to look at trailer ratings, a trailer rated at 7000# cannot carry 7000#. You need to know what the trailer weighs and subtract that from the over all rating, that is what the trailer can carry.
And enclosed trailer is also an instant garage or covered parking!

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