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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: nginbldr ()
Date: January 08, 2018 09:30AM

Just a quick note concerning the Pertronix ignition conversion.. I have installed many over the last 15 or so years in customer engines, from hot rods, muscle cars, restorations etc. and have had practically no failures.. however, the Pertronix I system is not intended to be used without primary circuit resistance and standard impedence coils..low impedence coils and lack of primary voltage resistance is hazardous to it's lifespan due to too much current flow.. The Pertronix II will work fine with low primary resistance.. have been running a Pertronix II with a flamethrower II coil and no primary resistance in my turbo 63 for years now.. plug gap of .040 with no issues even at full boost.. FYI Ben

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: January 08, 2018 11:23AM

corventure Dave Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> For me, I feel it depends on how many miles you
> drive.
> My Greenbrier is my high miler. I have over
> 360,000 miles on it now.
>
> I gave up on points years ago because of the poor
> quality of points available.
> NAPA had the best heavy duty points but stopped
> providing them.
> Two issues: The point's frames were flimsy.
> Contacts moved around and are not consistent.
> Second: The cheap plastic wear bar that rides on
> the distributor cam wears out long before the
> points contacts. As this wears, point gap or dwell
> changes. This creates much more ignition
> maintenance then back in the day of quality
> parts.
>
> I still have a stash of the old quality New Echlin
> NAPA points sets, However I run the Pertronix "I"
> in all my Corvair's now. Pertronix is an easy
> simple upgrade.
>
> However I believe my best advice is one of Seth's
> complete distributors, for maximum performance and
> reliability.
>
> Corventure Dave

Interesting. Do you have the part number handy for the Echlin points?

1961 rampside with a 65 / 67 110 engine, car four speed.
Now I have 1965 convertible as well, got it running in June, autocrossed in July 2016 at the convention!

KC0SKX
Olathe, ks
HACOA


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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: oldqmguy ()
Date: January 08, 2018 12:10PM

This has been an interesting discussion. smileys with beer

The "Points" Ignition System, designed by Charles F. Kettering at the Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company (DELCO) has served the auto industry well for many years. Being an "old timer" I grew up working with and changing hundreds of 'point sets' over the years. When properly installed and adjusted they work well but begin to 'wear out' as soon as you start the motor. drinking smiley

Being an electronic "geek" (Before they invented the word!) I was always interested in a way to maintain a good "spark" at higher rpm while reducing the wear on the points. eye popping smiley

Over the years I have built many "home made" substitutes for the simple Kettering Ignition. Some worked, many failed because of things I overlooked! confused smiley

After 3 years in the US Army Signal Corps I got married and bought my first car, a 1969 Triumph GT6+ in British Racing Green. I also subscribed to several car magazines. This was the first car I put the Allison (now Crane) XR-700 system on. It worked great and I seemed to have a little better High Speed performance (late 20's, no kids, new Interstates).

I liked it so well I pulled it off and went back to points when it was time to sell it (first kid on the way, no room for a Child Seat in a Triumph). grinning smiley

When I got into Corvairs a little later on (I had grown up driving dad's Corvairs before Uncle Sam got a hold of me) I installed the XR-700 and again was pleased with the performance (and not having to change points). hot smiley

My first Corvair was a 1964 Monza. I rebuilt the engine from the ground up, but found out a few years later that the body was not as good as it looked. Second kid on the way, time to sell the body (I kept the engine) and move on. sad smiley

After a few more Corvairs, I sold my 1965 Monza WITH the XR-700 (the buyer said he would add $100 if I left it in) installed. I wanted the extra money to buy the 1966 Turbo Corsa I was trying to buy. eye rolling smiley

I never got around to buying another XR-700, but the Turbo ran fine with the points (as long as I kept it 'tuned'). tongue sticking out smiley

Please note: Both the Triumph GT6+ AND the Corvair are 6 Cylinder engines, so I could use the XR-700 in both without an changes!

I think I am blabbering again so I need to stop! I just wanted to add my two cents to the mix.

My choice would be Points or the XR-700 (assuming I am using a stock distributor). If I needed a new distributor I would go with one of Seth's.

My 'plan' for the 1967 Monza is to go with the Ted Brown EFI/DIS system so for now I will keep it running on the simple old points!! grinning smiley

Dale cool smiley

Dale E. Smiley CPBE
Life Member The Society of Broadcast Engineers
RETIRED Broadcast Engineer
CERTIFIED CORVAIR NUT
CORSA/Circle City Corvairs/Corvair Performance Group
Avon, Indiana
WB9SFF
1967 4-Door Monza PG!

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: Richard ()
Date: January 08, 2018 12:58PM

Fort Monmouth or Gordon?
After my 3 years in the US Army Signal Corps I bought a 1969 Roadrunner. Before that a X6 Suzuki, a 1963 Corvair Spyder and two 1960 NSU Prinzes. All with points and still to this day have never had anything with an aftermarket ignition.
Points and HEI ignitions are more reliable than ANY aftermarket and parts available anywhere.

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: oldqmguy ()
Date: January 08, 2018 01:40PM

Fort Monmouth!

Never had the "pleasure" of visiting Fort Gordon.

January 1966 to December 1968 with a "one year vacation" in beautiful Southeast Asia!!! drinking smiley

I was still driving dad's '64 Vair,having just graduated from Electronics school and working for Motorola in Chicago when Uncle Sam decided my turn was up! They were looking for guys with electronic degrees for the Signal Corps (3years Active, 3 years INACTIVE RESERVE) and the rest is history!

Dale cool smiley

Dale E. Smiley CPBE
Life Member The Society of Broadcast Engineers
RETIRED Broadcast Engineer
CERTIFIED CORVAIR NUT
CORSA/Circle City Corvairs/Corvair Performance Group
Avon, Indiana
WB9SFF
1967 4-Door Monza PG!

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: January 08, 2018 02:41PM

larry202br Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> corventure Dave Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For me, I feel it depends on how many miles you
> > drive.
> > My Greenbrier is my high miler. I have over
> > 360,000 miles on it now.
> >
> > I gave up on points years ago because of the
> poor
> > quality of points available.
> > NAPA had the best heavy duty points but stopped
> > providing them.
> > Two issues: The point's frames were flimsy.
> > Contacts moved around and are not consistent.
> > Second: The cheap plastic wear bar that rides
> on
> > the distributor cam wears out long before the
> > points contacts. As this wears, point gap or
> dwell
> > changes. This creates much more ignition
> > maintenance then back in the day of quality
> > parts.
> >
> > I still have a stash of the old quality New
> Echlin
> > NAPA points sets, However I run the Pertronix
> "I"
> > in all my Corvair's now. Pertronix is an easy
> > simple upgrade.
> >
> > However I believe my best advice is one of
> Seth's
> > complete distributors, for maximum performance
> and
> > reliability.
> >
> > Corventure Dave
>
> Interesting. Do you have the part number handy for
> the Echlin points?



Echlin Ignition
Contact Set (Points)
Part # :
ECH CS788P

'64 Monza Coupe 140 4 speed
'61 700 Lakewood 95 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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