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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: Chris Lampe ()
Date: January 05, 2018 07:46PM

Points with stock coil relocated from the cylinder head to the rear panel of the engine compartment.

Chris
Rowlett, Tx
NTCA - North Texas Corvair Association
CORSA
'64 Monza 'vert

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:10PM

It seems like points are pulling ahead...

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:16PM

Distributorless programmable + Safegard. This set-up has proven to be more
reliable than the camshaftwinking smiley.

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:21PM




Like Frank DuVal says:
I run points and stock coil in most of my Corvairs. One has a Pertronix (don't know which one, came in car) with stock coil.

Both running and non-running Corvairs that I own, 10 to 1 use points. The one oddball came that way!

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John Smith
...in my limited experience a good known condensor should NOT be replaced?..

I also agree that it is wise to keep your ignition condensor and not change it unless bad.

Kevin
Medina, OH

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: jimc ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:45PM

Stock points. Distributor rebuilt with new bushing and NOS points plate.

Jimc
1965 Corsa
HACOA Member

CORSA 2017 Concours Senior Gold Award
AACA 2015 Award

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:48PM

63turbo Wrote:
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> Distributorless programmable + Safegard. This
> set-up has proven to be more
> reliable than the camshaftwinking smiley.


Pretty exotic...nice work on the body too..

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:50PM

jimc Wrote:
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> Stock points. Distributor rebuilt with new
> bushing and NOS points plate.


++++

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: DAVECS1 ()
Date: January 05, 2018 08:51PM

Chevrolet HEI with MSD Blaster coil. I have not had to pop the trunk all season!

1964 Monza Convertible
110 4 speed
Peoria, IL

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: January 05, 2018 09:22PM

I have everything, even a modded in line 6 HEI for a corvair, mallory dual points, Seth's distributor, pertronix, points, they all seem to work fine for me, you can get a magneto also but tends to make a lot of static on the radio, and cell phone, and dyno equipment, computers, and maybe pace makers! Ask Phil when we tried to dyno his buggy with the Magneto, we had to shield the equipment with folding chairs! LOL





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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 09:28PM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> I have everything, even a modded in line 6 HEI for
> a corvair, mallory dual points, Seth's
> distributor, pertronix, points, they all seem to
> work fine for me, you can get a magneto also but
> tends to make a lot of static on the radio, and
> cell phone, and dyno equipment, computers, and
> maybe pace makers! Ask Phil when we tried to dyno
> his buggy with the Magneto, we had to shield the
> equipment with folding chairs! LOL


It’s interesting to consider all a the ways to fire one of these up. I have looked at the magneto approach that may work for air flight. For my own use probably too exotic but I could see almost any type of ignition being used if a guy wanted to experiment.

I would probably not do dual point since there are other more exotic ways to go as you’ve mentioned.

Since I’m not into efi for my use I would probably stick to something a little easier to fix quickly.



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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 09:39PM

davemotohead Wrote:
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> I have everything, even a modded in line 6 HEI for
> a corvair, mallory dual points, Seth's
> distributor, pertronix, points, they all seem to
> work fine for me, you can get a magneto also but
> tends to make a lot of static on the radio, and
> cell phone, and dyno equipment, computers, and
> maybe pace makers! Ask Phil when we tried to dyno
> his buggy with the Magneto, we had to shield the
> equipment with folding chairs! LOL

I haven’t kept up with performance Corvairs really, how have the diz drive gears held up?

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 05, 2018 10:33PM

It’s been an interesting thread, thanks everyone for chiming in with your varied experiences..well wishes for all your projects..

JS

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: January 05, 2018 11:59PM

It is worth noting that the distributor in a Corvair really has two roles. It has to precisely time the spark to (hopefully) tell a spark generating system to optimize the energy delivered. Later on, it should accurately isolate and distribute the spark from the coil to the plugs. As you have heard, there are many ways to accomplish this. Points will work well, if everything in the distributor is still functioning as it should. Many of the parts can be refurbished to perform as they did when new - and some new pieces are available. There were several reasons that the OEMs went away from points and to electronic systems. First, emission regulations altered mixtures (Leaned, really) and older systems could not assure complete combustion - through the warrantee period. New laws put the onus on the manufacturer to assure this, not the buyer or the dealer. (Dealers were happy to put new points in for you - and you would have to pay for it.) Second, accuracy of the systems had to be held to a higher standard than before, again for emissions. I have seen new points vary up to 2 degrees on a distributor machine. I have installed many Pertronix units over the years. A little more accurate. The GM HEI and the Chrysler magnetic pulse units I have always tested less than 1 degree, total. The distributor I have been selling tested half a degree total - It uses a Ford designed Magnetic pickup. (Designed in about 1974) and a newer -but not the newest - electronics package. Crank-fired ignition isn't quite as important on the Corvair because the distributor is already driven off the crank, not through a chain-driven cam. Crank-fire also requires an electronic advance system. That means more money (Note - we are talking about Corvairs, here). As I noted above, the distributor can be used to trigger an external box. You can even lock-out the advance and program it all. If you like working and "futzing" with your car, a properly rebuilt distributor with points is a good solution for a mildly driven car. My distributor isn't the solution for everyone, and it isn't fool proof (little in this life is), but it is a reasonably priced solution for a performance application. (Oh, and don't run a 6-volt coil in a 12 volt system. Run the correct coil)

Seth Emerson

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 06, 2018 05:54AM

Seth Emerson Wrote:
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> It is worth noting that the distributor in a
> Corvair really has two roles. It has to precisely
> time the spark to (hopefully) tell a spark
> generating system to optimize the energy
> delivered. Later on, it should accurately isolate
> and distribute the spark from the coil to the
> plugs.

don't forget the third use, it provides power to turn the oil pump..thru an old school gear system...

one topic i haven't searched yet is dist gear reliability oiver the years..in my other 6 cylinder dd i use thicker oil and that little shear pin has been known to fail...but that's another topic.



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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: January 06, 2018 05:58AM

Pertronix is more forgiving than points if the distributor bushing is worn causing some runout.
It's important to choose the proper Ohm coil to match, there's threads called "Pertronix 1 wiring" and "Pertronix 2 wiring" where we discussed it at length. Another factor is whether the resistance wire is still in the wiring harness.
I purchased a supply of AC points, condensors and rotors several years ago. Not sure how readily available good points are these days, I guess I'll find out this year sometime as my stock is running low. I don't suppose they're $4 anymore.
Pertronix are great until they act up or fail. Like so many things these days, I wonder if they're as good as they used to be. It seems like so many things are made as good as they can to begin with and then comes the slide into how can we make it cheaper. Pertronix may be everything they have been and more, I just don't know. I don't want to disparage good things unduly but I have had some trouble...
I think Seth Emerson's distributor has changed the game but I haven't cradled one in my hands yet.
Turbo Corvairs can sure be a lot of trouble.
Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 06, 2018 06:08AM

JimBrandberg Wrote:
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> Like so many things these days, I wonder if
> they're as good as they used to be. It seems like
> so many things are made as good as they can to
> begin with and then comes the slide into how can
> we make it cheaper. Pertronix may be everything
> they have been and more, I just don't know. I
> don't want to disparage good things unduly but I
> have had some trouble...
> I think Seth Emerson's distributor has changed
> the game but I haven't cradled one in my hands
> yet.
> Turbo Corvairs can sure be a lot of trouble.


interesting observation, I'm with you on all of this. I work on what I drive and everything is carburated and as old-school as practial with as many oem nos AS I CAN FIND.

I DO believe that Ford came out with a good product in the duraspark II diz which I run on my inline 6. But I DO keep a spare points diz handy. It's easier to swap a diz in a vair...not so much climb inside symnastics..



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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: John Smith ()
Date: January 06, 2018 06:24AM

JimBrandberg Wrote:
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> I purchased a supply of AC points, condensors
> and rotors several years ago. Not sure how readily
> available good points are these days, I guess I'll
> find out this year sometime as my stock is running
> low. I don't suppose they're $4 anymore.
> CorvairRepair.com

Now there is a man with vision..

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: Layton Curtis ()
Date: January 06, 2018 06:59AM

Crane XR700 is my choice for 3 Vairs, oldest 17 years old, never a problem.

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: TedBrown ()
Date: January 06, 2018 07:16AM

GM DIS with crank trigger (Part of the EFI System). Old distributor left in place to drive oil pump with a Distributor cover. No moving parts to wear out.

Ted
Anderson, SC
www.Corvair-efi.com

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Re: Survey of ignition type used?
Posted by: ROD ()
Date: January 06, 2018 08:24AM

mallory unilite

Rod Tetrault
El Cajon , CA
65 Corsa Yenko Clone / 65 Corsa EO Creampuff Vert
66 Corsa "JIMISH" Mid engine Turbo LS1 currently 2nd fastest Corvair in the USA
Class 5 Corvair powered Baja
61 Vintage Rampy
Corvair powered Buggy x 3
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