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Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: swamprat ()
Date: December 27, 2017 06:13AM

New guy to the forum from La. Been lurking for a while and decided to join the fun.
I have 63 Monza coupe with an early aftermarket A/C, which uses a York compressor and a trunk mounted condenser which was crudely installed to say the least.
Dryer was conveniently mounted behind the right front tire.
Do any of you folks have any experience with these York systems? Thoughts on trunk mounted condensers in general?
I have a 64 Monza donor car I acquired that has complete factory A/C with the thought of swapping into the 63. But if the York system is worth rebuilding, I would like to keep the 64 system for a future project.
Would also appreciate any other comments/suggestions in regards to A/C on corvairs in general.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: December 27, 2017 06:32AM

Welcome! La. is a great, year-round place for Corvairs and especially Corvairs with A/C.

While I have lots (tons?) of A/C experience, I haven't seen too many aftermarket Corvair A/C systems. It would be interesting to see pictures. If you don't know how to resize images for posting, just ask. There are several ways.

As far as trunk mounted goes - that's actually the preferred way to go although it sounds like your installer (way back when) didn't do the sanitary installations we see today. The best examples are very subtle and effective and include fans for good performance at low speed. If you can find R12, which your compressor, condenser, hoses, and expansion valves were designed for, that would be the best way to go in my opinion.

It's much more interesting to see an old accessory than a run-of-the-mill factory system. I can't wait to see more.smiling bouncing smiley

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: December 27, 2017 07:21AM

Craig, PM sent.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: December 27, 2017 07:43AM

From what I remember, York compressors we're used on Fords up into the early 80's. It is a large and heavy compressor.

Lee J

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: December 27, 2017 09:28AM

gnvair Wrote:
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> From what I remember, York compressors we're used
> on Fords up into the early 80's. It is a large and
> heavy compressor.

60's Mercedes used them too (until they switched to the A6 around '73). The aluminum ones aren't "heavy". The cast iron ones are another story. They work fine but I doubt any are compatible with R134a.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 27, 2017 12:51PM

My '97 International uses a York style and it is 134.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: swamprat ()
Date: December 27, 2017 07:58PM

Craig,
I'll have some pics up in few days.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: December 28, 2017 02:13PM

All the Volvo 140s and 240s up to 1984 used the aluminum York compressors.
We always felt those cars had "weak" A/C systems but then again that was when I lived in L a also.
Too much desert in that part of Cali.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 28, 2017 08:08PM

Timothy Shortle Wrote:
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> All the Volvo 140s and 240s up to 1984 used the
> aluminum York compressors.
> We always felt those cars had "weak" A/C systems
> but then again that was when I lived in L a also.
> Too much desert in that part of Cali.



Los Angeles, Ca. ??

With a name like Swamprat, I just assumed La. was Louisiana! eye rolling smiley

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: December 28, 2017 10:12PM

FWIW

Sanden 508/5H14 displaces 8 CI
York displaces 9 or 10 CI
A6 displaces 12 CI

It's almost never about the compressor. It's all about evaporator and condenser core sizes and airflow.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: The Stig ()
Date: December 28, 2017 10:24PM

Spent a lot of time including several cross country trips in a 64 Greenbrier with a nice 60s aftermarket AC setup including a York compressor. Also had several York's apart over the years and never had a specific problem with them. If that's what yours is setup with I see no reason to change.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: Chilly Willy ()
Date: December 28, 2017 10:33PM

cnicol Wrote:
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> FWIW
>
> Sanden 508/5H14 displaces 8 CI
> York displaces 9 or 10 CI
> A6 displaces 12 CI
>
> It's almost never about the compressor. It's all
> about evaporator and condenser core sizes and
> airflow.

yes, it's all about the heat exchange. if the compressor is meeting the proper high side pressure you're good.
no experience in Corvair A/C. but I never was a fan of the condenser in the engine bay.(you don't want to preheat engine cooling air) so i would prefer the trunk install.as long as there is proper air flow for the exchange.




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Will
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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: December 29, 2017 08:28AM

Timothy Shortle Wrote:
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> All the Volvo 140s and 240s up to 1984 used the
> aluminum York compressors.
> We always felt those cars had "weak" A/C systems
> but then again that was when I lived in L a also.
> Too much desert in that part of Cali.


I had a '74 Volvo 164 for 3 years, equipped with the "factory" A/C with that York compressor.

Even here in the intense, soaking. permeating Heat & Humidity of New Orleans, LA. USA, the car's A/C kept me cool and satisfied. (And that's saying a LOT!)

My A/C mechanic called the car's system "coal cart crude"......but it all worked well.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: December 29, 2017 06:28PM

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Will
you don't want to preheat engine cooling air

I understand your feelings, but 99% of AC equiped vehicles on the road do this! The AC condenser is before the radiator and the turbo intercooler if equiped.

Now, the 66/67 condenser location is even worse, with the AC preheating the combustion air.eye popping smiley

I would think those that mount the condenser to the bottom of the early engine lid are also pre-heating the combustion air.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 29, 2017 07:51PM

True Frank but all those cars have way more cooling capacity than needed to keep the engine at whatever temp they desire. Corvairs are right on the edge when it's really hot outside and that's when the most heat is added.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: swamprat ()
Date: December 31, 2017 01:12PM







Here the pics of the aftermarket A/C in my 63 coupe.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: swamprat ()
Date: December 31, 2017 01:14PM



The plate on the York compressor

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 31, 2017 01:14PM

Interesting!! Get it working an report on it's performance!





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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: December 31, 2017 05:47PM

If you can rat show us the compressor mounting. I have a 66 Corsa Coupe with the York compressor mounting to the rear frame rail facing forward.
It looks to me like it was installed by K Mart auto service or Montgomery Ward auto service. I bought this car from a member here- careerinarut (but backwards). This car was unfortunately owned by a cheap, hot, engineer. If anyone is interested I can explain. Well optioned car.

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Re: Intro and question regarding A/C
Posted by: swamprat ()
Date: December 31, 2017 07:34PM

Timothy Shortle Wrote:
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> If you can rat show us the compressor mounting. I
> have a 66 Corsa Coupe with the York compressor
> mounting to the rear frame rail facing forward.
> It looks to me like it was installed by K Mart
> auto service or Montgomery Ward auto service. I
> bought this car from a member here- careerinarut
> (but backwards). This car was unfortunately owned
> by a cheap, hot, engineer. If anyone is interested
> I can explain. Well optioned car.


Car is getting a major restore and compressor is out of engine bay. I take some photos of the mounting hardware if anyone is interested.

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