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What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: 1963RedBrier ()
Date: December 22, 2017 07:28AM

Merry Christmas everyone! Just trying to stimulate a new topic and conversation... I recently looked at a LM coupe which had the typical LM rust issues, PLUS it was hit in the front AND rear! Nothing repaired yet, so a potential buyer could see what they were getting into, but it needed lots of work (although it photographed well!). The rear panel was crunched in between the license plate and left taillights, and the front hood overhung the front panel by an inch or two, making the poor Corvair look a little cross-eyed because the headlights were knocked out of alignment. What say you?

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: dolomitefan ()
Date: December 22, 2017 07:31AM

Personally rust repair is slightly easier because at least nothing has bent out of shape so you have more reference points. Once your whole back, side, or front end has been stoved in then it can be difficult to work out what goes where.

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1961 Corvair Greenbrier
1980 Triumph Dolomite Sprint
1993 Mazda Eunos Roadster
2015 BMW 1 Series

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: December 22, 2017 08:41AM

Rust vs. collision damage, is a no brainer for me. I would almost always prefer collision damage to rust repair, since rust usually always involves the entire vehicle. With collision you only have localized damage to repair, and if you have the expertise, you can fix it to be like new. That involves knowing exactly how to do the pulls, and how to analyze the impact to maximize corrective actions of the pulls. Sourcing good parts is a little difficult, but not impossible, as long as solid rust free cars are still being parted out in the non rust belt states. As evidenced by these forums, rust free bodies are still available, but not always at prices that people are willing to pay.

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: viewmaster ()
Date: December 22, 2017 08:44AM

dolomitefan Wrote:
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> Personally rust repair is slightly easier because
> at least nothing has bent out of shape so you have
> more reference points. Once your whole back, side,
> or front end has been stoved in then it can be
> difficult to work out what goes where.


I second what Mark stated.

-m



Mike
'65 '500' Sedan 110 PG
'65 Monza Sedan turbo'd 110 SU conversion
Fresno, CA

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: MoxyRamone ()
Date: December 22, 2017 10:44AM

Collision Repair, hands down. I would rather fix damage than chase rust any day.

John Carver
Landrum, South Carolina

1964 Monza Convertible

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: December 22, 2017 11:05AM

Neither. But I would wonder if that car had good parts.

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: December 22, 2017 11:07AM

I'm with Moxy and Junk. Having repaired many collision damaged Corvairs, the collision part was easier than fixing the rust that rears its head because the collision made it visible.

Rust never sleeps, if you do not believe it, come to my garage and see the daughter's car. Daily driver in salt.eye popping smiley

Great fabrication and welding project...

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: ralph65corsa ()
Date: December 22, 2017 11:22AM

Neither for me. I'd avoid buying any rusty or collison damaged Corvairs (parts cars in reality) and reach into my pockets a little deeper to get something without any of that. Corvairs aren't that rare and I don't need the headache.

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 22, 2017 12:15PM

I'm with Ralph65 on this... as well as Unibodies are never "STIFF" after major rework of structural damage





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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: December 22, 2017 07:37PM

Oh Matt, I beg to differ with you.

Now, if the repairs are not done right... Yep!grinning smiley

Ralph, I was in the collision business, so it was no headache to me, it was MONEY!thumbs up

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: December 22, 2017 07:44PM

On a fully welded together unibody (Corvair) there's not much difference between the two.

Nick
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1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
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Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: streblerm ()
Date: December 23, 2017 04:23AM

collision over rust any day.

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: coleslaw31 ()
Date: December 23, 2017 05:00AM

Ironic subject, I am looking into the body repair of my 68. The drivers rear quarter panel has a nice crumple in it from being hit on the back corner. The man who sculpted the panel back with bondo really out did himself. Its probably got a quarter inch of bondo slapped just above the wheel well. Other than that along with some cracking paint, its a relativity solid car and excited I didn't find a big rust hole when I sanded off the "repair".

South Carolina Upstate



68 Monza convertible 140 4spd A/C (coming soon)
66 Corsa coupe 140 4spd

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: December 23, 2017 05:26AM

I can clearly remember the days, when you cut a Corvair across the floor, and welded 2 cars together to fix a major collision damage. We didn't have fancy tools either, but with knowledge and expertise, we overcame obstacles that would stifle most shops today. Below is a 1963 Chrysler that was of similar construction as the Corvair. It is a unibody car. This car was highly modified to be an ambulance. Care to take a guess as to what body style they started with? I owned this car for 7 years, so I was intimately familiar with all parts of this car, having to do various repairs. Not only did they change the body configuration, but it was also lengthened by 20 inches.


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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 23, 2017 06:08PM

Well Junkman, even though it is sporting New Yorker Badging, I put my vote on the 2-door Newport.
So, what IS it based on?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: MoxyRamone ()
Date: December 23, 2017 06:24PM

Whatever it is, it's awesome!

John Carver
Landrum, South Carolina

1964 Monza Convertible

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Re: What would you rather do? Collision repair or rust repair?
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: December 24, 2017 03:15PM

It started life as a 4 door sedan. The front doors were modified by making them longer, and higher, and the rear doors were custom built, as well as the rear loading door. Even the quarter panels were modified, and it was all done using flat steel stock, and hand working it. Even the rear loading door was hand built. When you got into the inner parts of the cars, you could see where changes were made, such as flattening the tops of the rear inner fenders, and how the trunk floor was refashioned. This car was custom built by the Pinner Coach Company of Victoria, Mississippi.

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