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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: stitch ()
Date: December 16, 2017 12:08PM

Just emailed Ray Sedman. Also just got an email from Lon @ underground stating...Sorry, this item is out of production. Hoping I hear back from American-pi...sad smiley

"If you can't fix it with a Hammer, you have an Electrical problem."
Stitch...
Schertz, Texas.
(Smallish town/burg 17 mi. NE of San Antonio)

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: December 16, 2017 12:34PM

Patidevco was the designer/company. The guy who developed it was in the Central Coast area of California in Nipomo. He got out of the business and others, included Ed Corson, filled the need. The threads on the outside of the inner mount adapter determines the range and type of filters to use.

Seth Emerson

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Date: December 16, 2017 12:54PM

Seth beat me to it.

To keep history straight (why would we want to do that in 2018?) Patidevco designed the concept originally and, after some improvements, Ed Corson put them into production until his death.

Ed had numerous neat products produced and was a great guy as well.

Lon Wall

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: December 18, 2017 04:19PM

Yep... first made by Patidevco. The fellow worked for Piper Aircraft in Santa Maria Ca. I cant think of his mane right now...
But the name comes from... Part Time Development Company. I went to his house one time when he was vacuum forming the Lakewood - Monza Wagon rear hatch hinge cover plastic. Interesting wood form with a Shop Vacuum.

This takes me back!!!eye popping smiley

Corventure Dave

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: December 18, 2017 07:33PM

Thanks everyone for the input.

Part of what makes this hobby fun is learning about the folks who contributed to it.

It would be great if somebody wrote a history about the people/companies that made aftermarket parts for the Corvair - quite a few at one time.

I'm always amazed at how the Corvair attracted so many creative folks compared to the Falcon or Valiant.

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: December 18, 2017 11:01PM

Reference historical vendors.
Since I have been doing this for so long and I rarely throw old stuff away, I have a collection of old Corvair catalogs. Pretty much a full bookshelf worth. It has now been 50+ years since I bought my first Corvair. I think I picked up an IECO catalog on the way home from the Chevrolet OK used car lot. In my copious spare time - cough - I will try to make up a list. One rule, ignore the prices.

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: December 19, 2017 07:23AM

To answer wagonmaster's question about changing the seal/gasket set between the spin-on adapter and Corvair adapter every time, the answer is YES, if you want it to do its job of filtering the oil.

The middle seal in ALL Corvair filter attachment arrangements is RUBBER. Know what happens to your pushrod tube seals after a while? Same thing happens here, the rubber eventually gets hard and fails to seal.

Plus the paper outer gasket will, over time, weld itself into the housing groove, and become all but impossible to scrape and dig out. It WILL eventually fail, and no amount of cranking down on the bolt will get it to seal.

And that throws the "economy" reason for using a spin-on out the window.

Others may disagree, but that is what my 45+ years of owning an air'vair has taught me. And I wouldn't trust any engine that hadn't had those seals changed every time.

-Mark

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: 67 airvair ()
Date: December 19, 2017 07:46AM

Here are a few pictures of what I did to modify one of the adapters I got from Wall's Underground. While some may disagree, I feel that it is bad to restrict or slow down the oil's path. The original filter adapter is unnecessarily quite restrictive. Fluid dynamics tells me that.

One shot shows how the first thing I did was to eliminate all the unnecessary meat in the center and thus straightening the oil's path. I also hand-ground out a lot of excess metal and sharp corners in order to ease the oil's path. You can now see straight through the center holes, something you couldn't do originally. My modified adapter should be as free-flowing as possible now.

I also rebored the middle gasket surface so I can use the factory-stock rubber seals, instead of needing a special-sized one from the vendor.

-Mark

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: Vern in Bend ()
Date: December 19, 2017 09:32AM

Someone is making a version and selling on eBay:

[www.ebay.com]

Regards, Vern

Bend, Oregon

'64 Corvan, daily driver - 43 years
'64 Rampside, personal driver - 25 years
'67 Monza Cpe, original owner - 33k miles
'81 Vanagon high-top panel van

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: December 19, 2017 09:50AM

In my Greenbrier, for many years I have both the AC 90 degree "horizontal" adapter, along with the spin on oil filer adapter. I also use the large V8 oil filter.

There are a couple reasons for my madness!
With the large oil filter I now have a full 5-qt oil capacity with the stock oil pan.
This puts a larger volume of oil outside the engine. Does this help with oil cooling? Probably not. But it's fun to think so!eye rolling smiley
Finally... if you have ever had the harmonic crank pulley come apart, you will have likely experienced the outer pulley ring cutting into the oil filter. This sprays a ton of nice filtered oil all over the engine.hot smiley I used to make trips into Baja Mexico and still today go to other remote places. Even tho I check the crank pulley often, I like to avoid those on the road P in the A breakdowns when possible.

Their coming to take me away.. Ha Ha!

Corventure Dave



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/19/2017 09:51AM by corventure Dave.

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: December 20, 2017 12:11PM

Forgive my ignorance here:

One can use a larger "V8" engine sized oil filter with the 90 degree (Horizontal) oil filter adapter? Like, say a Ford V8 filter from the late 1950's thru early 1980's models?



confused smiley

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 20, 2017 12:19PM

Not alone. The spin on adapter will fit the 90 degree adapter the same as it fits without it. You have to use whatever filter the spin on adapter is made for. The 90 degree adapter alone just moves the stock filter. (Assuming I'm following your question correctly)

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: rnch ()
Date: December 20, 2017 01:14PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> Not alone. The spin on adapter will fit the 90
> degree adapter the same as it fits without it.
> You have to use whatever filter the spin on
> adapter is made for. The 90 degree adapter alone
> just moves the stock filter. (Assuming I'm
> following your question correctly)



Ohhhhhhhhhhh.

Anyone know what/which adapter plate is needed in order to use the "V8" oil filter?

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: December 20, 2017 01:25PM

corventure Dave Wrote:
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> In my Greenbrier, for many years I have both the
> AC 90 degree "horizontal" adapter, along with the
> spin on oil filer adapter. I also use the large V8
> oil filter.
>
> There are a couple reasons for my madness!
> With the large oil filter I now have a full 5-qt
> oil capacity with the stock oil pan.
> This puts a larger volume of oil outside the
> engine. Does this help with oil cooling? Probably
> not. But it's fun to think so!eye rolling smiley
> Finally... if you have ever had the harmonic crank
> pulley come apart, you will have likely
> experienced the outer pulley ring cutting into the
> oil filter. This sprays a ton of nice filtered oil
> all over the engine.hot smiley I used to make trips into
> Baja Mexico and still today go to other remote
> places. Even tho I check the crank pulley often, I
> like to avoid those on the road P in the A
> breakdowns when possible.
>
> Their coming to take me away.. Ha Ha!
>
> Corventure Dave

Yeah Dave when folks look at my 90 deg with the spin on adapter and that BIG oil filter I tell them "The engine holds more oil and the bigger filter dissipates more heat".

Yes not by much, but it's a good story!!

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 29, 2017 12:49PM

You should make a finned sleeve to clamp around the oil filter to really get rid of the heat. You could mount an electric fan to the sleeve also. You would need an exhaust duct so that the hot air doesn't get pulled into the fan.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/29/2017 12:50PM by joelsplace.

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: VegasVair ()
Date: December 29, 2017 01:17PM

I have a Clark's spin on adapter on a 90 degree mount.

Thanks to Richard1 I use those excellent Donaldson filters
which are available here at heavy construction equipment
dealers at very reasonable prices.

The Donaldson filters are used on Caterpillar equipment.

I put a gallon food storage bag over the filter
before I spin it off. Catches the oil. No mess.

65 Corsa 140/4 A/C convert.
CORSA+Vegas Vairs

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: December 29, 2017 01:54PM

VegasVair Wrote:
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> I have a Clark's spin on adapter on a 90 degree
> mount.
>
> Thanks to Richard1 I use those excellent Donaldson
> filters
> which are available here at heavy construction
> equipment
> dealers at very reasonable prices.
>
> The Donaldson filters are used on Caterpillar
> equipment.
>
> I put a gallon food storage bag over the filter
> before I spin it off. Catches the oil. No mess.

Yes that works great - unless --- you get careless and rip the plastic bag open while lifting it out - ask me how I know - LOL winking smiley

Now I use the thick freezer bags!!

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 29, 2017 06:08PM

joelsplace Wrote:
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> You should make a finned sleeve to clamp around
> the oil filter to really get rid of the heat.
You
> could mount an electric fan to the sleeve also.
> You would need an exhaust duct so that the hot air
> doesn't get pulled into the fan.


Something like this?

> Airwolf Oil Chiller <

I have my doubts about the incredible results they boast of, but any amount of temp reduction is good.

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Re: Oil filter 'spin-on' adapter (Horizontal)
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 29, 2017 07:53PM

A filter has a lot of surface area and oil flow so if you had a good connection to the heat sink and good airflow it should help quite a bit.

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