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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: December 08, 2017 06:16AM

I can't see the pictures either, here at work. But, if the pics aren't posted directly in the forum, and are linked to some picture hosting server, those are often blocked by our firewall. Strange that I can't even see the little icons that show where a picture should though.

1961 rampside with a 65 / 67 110 engine, car four speed.
Now I have 1965 convertible as well, got it running in June, autocrossed in July 2016 at the convention!

KC0SKX
Olathe, ks
HACOA

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: Mark Pietz ()
Date: December 08, 2017 07:23AM

larry202br Wrote:
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> I can't see the pictures either, here at work.
> But, if the pics aren't posted directly in the
> forum, and are linked to some picture hosting
> server, those are often blocked by our firewall.
> Strange that I can't even see the little icons
> that show where a picture should though.

Silly me...likewise, I can't see them on my work computer (or even evidence that there are pictures), but see them on my iPhone!

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: RobertC ()
Date: December 08, 2017 08:36AM

Mark Pietz Wrote:
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> Silly me...likewise, I can't see them on my work
> computer (or even evidence that there are
> pictures), but see them on my iPhone!

have to assume that your work has instituted features to try to keep people from infecting their computer systems...

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: December 08, 2017 10:29AM

I have one of these for trimming the mica on the armature. It is for my south bend. Once you have trued it up you use this with a small piece of bandsaw blade and pull the handle back and forth to do the job.



-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 08, 2017 04:56PM

That would work! I did say you could use a hack saw blade and I did for many years.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 08, 2017 05:34PM

To finish up I forgot to mention a couple of things. If you do remove the pole shoes they should only go on one way, that is with the cutout towards the brushes. You will see why.



Here is a picture of how the brushes sit after they are installed and tight.


Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: DAVECS1 ()
Date: December 09, 2017 04:39AM

That tool for the nose gear is amazing. I really struggled putting the nose gear on my Hi torque setup when a bad flywheel took the other one.

1964 Monza Convertible
110 4 speed
Peoria, IL

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: December 09, 2017 06:50AM

Ken, what grease did you use on the leather and the bushings?

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: JamesD ()
Date: December 11, 2017 08:48PM

Frank DuVal Wrote:
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> Ken, I have one of these!: [www.youtube.com]

Here are a couple of other ways, both made in the U.S.A.



James
'65 Corsa 4-speed, '65 Corsa V8                                                       Santa Clarita, CA.
“I may not always drive a car, but when I do, I prefer a Corvair.  Stay loose, my friends.”

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: December 12, 2017 04:44AM

toms73novass Wrote:
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> Ken, what grease did you use on the leather and
> the bushings?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I use my Amsoil grease and some spray white Lithium grease on the solenoid pivot and fork.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: March 16, 2018 04:37AM

For some reason I was subscribed to this thread, but just got around to reading it this morning.I've "rebuilt" many many GM starters, but never did more than polish the armature copper and replace worn,bushings and brushes. I've always had good results, but after reading this thread, I guess a lathe and how to use one is on my bucket list. One thing I didn't notice mentioned was that undersized bushings are available, 25 years ago I went to a starter rebuilding supply, and he had XX, XXX bushings, I'm almost out of everything I bought back then. And everything was made in Canada or USA. Now guess where it comes from.

15 years ago I went into a starter supply, and bought some solenoids and shifter forks, and soon after one of the arms broke off the made in Taiwan shifter fork, I'd never ever seen that on a USA shift fork. I still have the parts, but I just use them to throw at the Ford Mustang guys.

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: March 16, 2018 06:35AM

The under size bushings are still available as I have half a dozen each of the XX and XXX.
I think I have only seen a couple of shafts that may have benefited from the undersized bushings. All the rest were to far gone to use as in scored to badly.

BTW, I used to just polish and "file" the commutator and had good luck but now if one of mine goes out to the public I can't trust that back yard mechanic stuff.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com



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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: March 16, 2018 01:31PM

So Ken, what percentage do you find that are out of round, that benefit from being turned in the lathe? As I mentioned, all I've ever done is taking a piece of sandpaper and made it bright, but I've never undercut the mica, even though I'd heard about that 40 years ago. And my starters also seem to work great for years and years, even on my 6.2 diesel, which even the guy at a huge huge starter rebuilding shop laughed at. He "insisted" I go with the gear reduction Japan starter, I told him I don't have a problem with these clunkers.
Maybe this coming fall, after the homecoming, you'll invite me to your shop, and I'll make it this time, and see how things are done professionally.

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: March 16, 2018 01:50PM

Is the Corvair starter the same as any other period starter, except for the nose cone? Seems like some GM starters can be bought cheap.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: March 16, 2018 02:15PM

The armature shaft length on the drive end goes along with the unique nose cone. Corvair only. Housing and shoe poles may interchange.

'64 Monza Coupe 140 4 speed
'61 700 Lakewood 95 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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Re: How Far Should You Go with a Starter Rebuild?
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: March 16, 2018 02:54PM

Even my diesel Suburban is similar, just giant sized, larger shaft, thicker brushes

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