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Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 10:23AM

I've had a set of these in my 140 Greenbrier and they were excellent. After 107,000 miles the valve train parts look almost like new! If they rarely leaked down during winter storage, they would pump up within seconds. I'm building a new engine this winter and would like to use these again but I don't remember the brand or where I bought them. Maybe the quickest way to spot them is the circle of dots around the pushrod seat. ?

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:12PM

Now?

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:23PM

Dan- They look like Crane Cam lifters to me

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Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car



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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:26PM

It's not the one I commonly use... Melling JB-817 Anybody else?

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: December 04, 2017 03:46PM

cnicol Wrote:
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> It's not the one I commonly use... Melling JB-817
> Anybody else?


I love those lifters. I have used them in several engines. They are excellent!

Lee J

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 04:35PM

any chance you bought them from the Source?

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 04:50PM

I am running the Milling as well. the only issue is at hot idle. one of them on the Driver's side has a waving light tick. it comes and goes at about the speed the lifter spins. goes from a light tick to dead quiet. others have reported similar noise with these. I keep driving it, thinking it might get better, but has stayed exactly the same.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: December 04, 2017 04:57PM

J.O. in my experience that tick that comes and goes with lifter rotation is caused by a bent push rod.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 05:02PM

My first thought, I changed out three and also to rockers. No change, I have try stethoscope, hose trick, still can't narrow it down, one of the last three on the drivers side. Guess I'll pull some lifters this winter

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: 7004doorL ()
Date: December 04, 2017 05:37PM

I too am using Melling Lifters in my Corvair.

Vairy satisfied.

Got 'em from my FLAPS.

Mike
1960 4 Door
80 HP PG

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 06:52PM

I forgot to mention that I bought those lifters 30 years ago! Kevin might be right about them being from Crane because I had a Crane cam in a 389 Pontiac at the time and had used some other Crane products around that time. I'll check with Crane but it would be a miracle if they still have the exact lifter. Yes, I've been using Melling lifters the last couple of years and may end up using them in this engine, but I've modified them for more flow to the rockers.

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: December 04, 2017 08:30PM

Dan- Check out Summit Racing and search for hydraulic lifters, and then select
Crane Cams as the brand. You will find the same exact looking lifter that you
posted... the reason I thought yours was a Crane was because of the small oil
band just below the main one on the exterior of the lifter body.
Heres an attempt to post a link [www.summitracing.com]

------------------------------------

Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car






Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2017 08:33PM by 63turbo.

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: December 05, 2017 09:00AM

Brizo Wrote:
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> I forgot to mention that I bought those lifters 30
> years ago! Kevin might be right about them being
> from Crane because I had a Crane cam in a 389
> Pontiac at the time and had used some other Crane
> products around that time. I'll check with Crane
> but it would be a miracle if they still have the
> exact lifter. Yes, I've been using Melling lifters
> the last couple of years and may end up using them
> in this engine, but I've modified them for more
> flow to the rockers.

Bob Helt stated that the later Corvair pushrods had a smaller orifice.

Interesting comments about EXCESS oiling, see -------------

Posted by: Bob Helt ()
Date: July 09, 2014 03:01AM

Anyhow here is some interesting information I have discovered.
Sometime around 1962 Chevrolet changed the pushrod design adding material at the ends and strengthening the tips. This new design continued in production thru 1969. But they kept the same part number (3839661) that engineering protocall would have required changing due to other changes in the design.

Having come across NOS examples of both the old and new designs I decided to measure the hole sizes.

Shown in the table below are the actual measurements, despite the fact that the holes LOOK to be the same as before..


Entrance hole exit hole spit hole

OLD 0.091" 0.091" 0.051"

NEW 0.066" 0.068" 0.045" although it appears to be b slightly oval


You can see that the holes are all considerably smaller in the new pushrods.

Could this be the source of any rocker box oiling problems?

Bob Helt

Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: July 09, 2014 02:49PM

Hi Bob, as I posted before my brothers early build 63 pumps rocker oil like crazy compaired to my 65. I know you like documentation, but I remember reading (a long time ago) that GM reduced the oil flow to the heads in an effort to reduce oil temps. The heads were adding a ton of heat to the oil. Can't remember or find the document.

J.O.

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: December 05, 2017 04:33PM

Brizo Wrote:
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> Yes, I've been using Melling lifters
> the last couple of years and may end up using them
> in this engine, but I've modified them for more
> flow to the rockers

Entrance hole exit hole spit hole

OLD 0.091" 0.091" 0.051"

NEW 0.066" 0.068" 0.045" although it appears to be b slightly oval

Are these some of the modifications you're talking about?

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: joelsplace ()
Date: December 05, 2017 04:43PM

If they did that to decrease oil temps that is pathetic. Add cooling - don't take it away!

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 05, 2017 07:49PM

Wagon Master Wrote:
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> Brizo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes, I've been using Melling lifters
> > the last couple of years and may end up using
> them
> > in this engine, but I've modified them for more
> > flow to the rockers
>
> Entrance hole exit hole spit hole
>
> OLD 0.091" 0.091" 0.051"
>
> NEW 0.066" 0.068" 0.045" although it appears to be
> b slightly oval
>
> Are these some of the modifications you're talking
> about?

No, not the pushrod. I modify the the Melling lifter with a small notch in the edge of the valve disc.

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 05, 2017 08:04PM

63turbo Wrote:
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> Dan- Check out Summit Racing and search for
> hydraulic lifters, and then select
> Crane Cams as the brand. You will find the same
> exact looking lifter that you
> posted... the reason I thought yours was a Crane
> was because of the small oil
> band just below the main one on the exterior of
> the lifter body.
> Heres an attempt to post a link
> [www.summitracing.com]
> rane-anti-pump-up-hydraulic-lifters?SortBy=Default
> &SortOrder=Ascending&tw=hydraulic%20lifters&sw=Cra
> ne%20Anti-Pump%20Up%20Hydraulic%20Lifters

63turbo, Summit shows another lifter that looks exactly the same - even has the dots around the pushrod seat, but its a "high intensity variable duration" lifter that bleeds off and clicks at low rpm - don't want that. The one you gave the link to they call a "anti-float" lifter which(correct me if I'm wrong) has a very narrow adjustment range which may not work with the high expansion rate of a Corvair engine.

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"



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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: December 05, 2017 08:51PM

You might want to visit with Crane (S&H cycle? ) as you might have inadvertently tested the same lifter... some of those anti float lifters
aren't noisy, and some are. Those dots on the pushrod seat are probably
for identification purposes, for situations like you have. It certainly
wouldn't hurt to call.

------------------------------------

Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
first test start on EFI here:[www.youtube.com]
first official EFI boost test here:[www.youtube.com]
My new fan! [corvaircenter.com]
engine less 62 Spyder
Canadian 64 Monza Parts car



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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Bob Helt ()
Date: December 06, 2017 08:15AM

Unfortunately this thread is getting a bit stale, but I want to make a comment about the first lifter being described.

It's hard to see its construction from the photo supplied, but what you can see is the pushrod seat with a hole on the side. Somehow the oil destined for the rockerbox slips up the clearance of the plunger and enters this side hole to exit at the bottom of the pushrod.

Anyhow, it looks to be a very restricted flow path and one designed to avoid the design patents on the regular style of lifters.

Bob Helt

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Re: Anyone recognize this hydraulic lifter ?
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: December 06, 2017 08:37AM

Bob Helt, There is a recess inside the lifter body. oil passes through a notch on the bottom of the seat section(visible below the spring), through the hole and up the pushrod.

True, this has gone far enough -I just wanted to know If anyone could ID the lifter FOR CERTAIN.--------END THREAD. Thanks

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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