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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: June 12, 2018 08:15PM

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That is a beautiful fender!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 16, 2018 11:46AM

Original studs - refinished with Caswell Black Oxide system

Top row - front wheel studs

2nd row - front strut rod studs

3rd row - rear wheel bearing/brake backing plate studs

Bottom row - rear leaf spring outboard bushing studs

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: June 16, 2018 12:44PM

Mr detail strikes again thumbs up smiling smiley

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: gregb ()
Date: June 16, 2018 03:54PM

Hey Bill, does this finish seem to be good and tough or does it chip like paint?
Thx

Gregb

Alberta Canada
61 Canadian Lakewood
62 Spyder Triple Black Convertible
65 Corsa Coupe

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 16, 2018 04:57PM

I’ll find out when I put it together, I guess.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: June 17, 2018 08:48AM

I just watched the video of the process, and I don't believe that it will chip, since it is a chemical treatment of the bare metal, not an application of a synthetic coating. What puzzled me at first was the gloss appearance of the bolts in the picture above. After watching the video, I learned that the gloss appearance is oil that is used to complete the chemical conversion.

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: June 17, 2018 09:04AM

I have done this process and no it will not chip. I find if I use "cosmoline" that it really holds and embeds itself in the oxide layer. The process that I use is to heat the bolt up with a heat gun and plunge them in the cosmoline which melts around them. Then use the heat gun to heat the excess that is left on the bolt to dip back into the container.

It gives them a more matte appearance.

-Tom


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65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 19, 2018 09:30PM

Home Plating setup

First Photo - Left to Right:
    [*] Degreaser Solution - heated in Crock Pot
    [*] Spray bottle of Distilled water - for rinsing between tanks
    [*] 5% Muriatic Acid tank - for last minute acid etch
    [*] Power Supply - set for constant current
    [*] Caswell "Copy Cad" plating tank

Second Photo - Back view of plating tank, showing home-made tank heater ($15 dollars of parts - 1500w Water Heater element, copper wire hanger, water heater thermostat taped to side of tank, power cord, tape) - keeps the plating solution at a constant 110 degrees

Third Photo - a lower control arm bolt freshly plated - rather dull finish but will buff out shiny if I get ambitious. Either way, it is protected from rusting.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 22, 2018 05:19PM

After several runs I think I have finally gotten the hang of plating and am getting good results. Here are photos of one front upper control arm bolt side and top, and then all 4 upper control arm bolts, nuts, lock washers, and a re-do of the lower control arm bolts and nuts.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: June 22, 2018 05:48PM

Impressive!

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 22, 2018 06:26PM

In the meantime, back at Yokum's shop, work progresses on the body. Now that the floors are done they have turned attention to other areas. This week the battery box was repaired, as well as the top well and the right door pillar. Here are photos of the battery box repair -the back and bottom were replaced with new metal which was seamlessly melded to the original side and top sections.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 22, 2018 06:33PM

Here are photos of the right door pillar repair (interior gutter had completely rusted away!) and the right and left sides of the top well. There is still work to be done on the lower section of the left side where the top support is welded.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 22, 2018 06:41PM

Here are photos of:
    [*] The upper left fender, where they closed a crude hole a previous owner had made (we think for a dummy antenna, but it wasn't in the right position)
    [*] The completed floor pans
    [*] Underside detail of floorpan work

Also, I forgot to mention in the previous post that I have the rear bracket for the battery box and we will have it welded in the next time I go down to visit when I will bring an original battery and the hold-down hardware, to make sure it is installed in the right position.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group



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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 25, 2018 08:22PM

Part of the Brake and Most of the front suspension hardware is now re-plated, as shown here (sorry, took photo at night and the finish does not photograph well, but it looks great in reality).

First photo - Brake Self-adjuster arms (cleaned up from first attempt)

Second Photo - Front Suspension Hardware

First Row:
    [*] Upper A-Arm Bolts and washers
    [*] Lower Control Arm Bolts and Nuts
    [*] Upper A-Arm Cross-Shaft Bolts and washers
Second Row: Strut Rod Bushing Washers
Third Row:
    [*] Shock Absorber Bolts and Washers
    [*] Strut Rod Nuts and Bushing Spacers
Last Row
    [*] Sway Bar Short Bolts, Lock Washers, and Nuts
    [*] Sway Bar Long Bolts, Lock Washers, and Nuts
    [*] Strut Rod Lock Stud Lockwashers and Nuts

Several parts not yet plated. This is very time consuming sad smiley

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group



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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 25, 2018 08:45PM

And here is the payoff - the complete Strut rod assembly with all original parts (bushings are new but original style).

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: bbakerga ()
Date: June 25, 2018 08:47PM

Amazing work, Bill! You are going to throw up the first time you drive through a mud puddle in that car. grinning smiley

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 27, 2018 08:47AM

Properly plating parts requires knowing their surface area. You’d think that by now somebody, somewhere, would have figured this out and written it down, but no!

So I’ve been figuring it out on my own. I present this preliminary work for your edification:
Corvair Hardware Dimensions And Surface Area

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group



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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: June 27, 2018 09:30AM

Bill - Thanks for documenting your processes for others.

Impressive effort.

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: June 27, 2018 11:28AM

whubbell Wrote:
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> Properly plating parts requires knowing their
> surface area. You’d think that by now somebody,
> somewhere, would have figured this out and written
> it down, but no!
>
> So I’ve been figuring it out on my own. I
> present this preliminary work for your
> edification:
> Corvair Hardware Dimensions And Surface Area


Nicely done, save for future reference.

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: June 27, 2018 08:51PM

I won't swear my calculations are completely accurate, but they are close approximations and good enough for my purposes.

Attached is a photo that shows the process I went through to calculate the surface area for the brake adjusters (three parts - a threaded rod with attached gear and shaft, the long threaded tip that screws onto the threaded rod, and the short tip that slips on the non-threaded end).

The drawing is a rough sketch of a cutaway side view of the long threaded tip. The process involves getting reasonably accurate measurements (calipers help), dividing the surface into various geometric shapes, and then breaking out the high school geometry formulas to calculate the various surface areas, then finally adding them all up. I take some short cuts when the surface areas are very small - for instance I ignored the slight taper from the larger cylinder to the smaller cylinder, and I fudged the surface area of the cone-shaped outer part of the tips as it was just too small to worry about doing the complicated math to get it perfectly accurate. I also ignore the calculations for the threads - just treat it as a slightly larger cylinder.


In the long run, this is all just to get me "in the ballpark" range for setting the amperage for plating. In practice I set the amperage, start plating, and make fine adjustments as needed if it doesn't look right.


Sure, if I had an advanced degree in math, unlimited time to play with it, and access to a CAD program I could produce more accurate results, but this is as good as it will get for me.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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