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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 18, 2017 07:29PM

Yes, I tagged the rear springs left and right.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: December 18, 2017 07:48PM

I didn't, so whats the difference side to side?

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 18, 2017 08:15PM

Only in 1964 are there differences in right and left rear springs - it has to do with the transverse leaf spring. The left side carries less weight than the right.

Spring charts can be rather complex, but for 1964 convertibles, here are the stats:


Coil Spring Code

Front (either side) 3826077 62-64 - All Convertibles 1/2“ light blue 1/2" line full length of spring, Code letter "GD" black tape & white letters, 855 lbs

Rear - Left 3848970 1964 - Convertibles Code letter “M”, white tape & black paint,1170 lbs

Rear - Right 3848968 1964 - Convertibles Code letter “K”, white tape & black paint, 1369 lbs

Here is a link to more detailed information on the Stock Corvair Group website

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group



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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: December 18, 2017 08:33PM

Well mine is a 69 so I guess Im good.

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: December 19, 2017 05:03AM

Personally I would not re-use springs that have been subject to 50+ years of sagging.

Nick
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1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/COG Supporting Member/US Navy Veteran
Other fun car: Porsche 911 GT3
Boring daily drivers
Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: December 19, 2017 06:38AM

junkman Wrote:
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> Better tag them so you don't get them mixed up.
> Glass beading and some black paint, and they will
> look like new.


X2 , I like to use good original GM springs , pretty sure nobody makes the PROPER rear coils for a 64,

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 19, 2017 11:26AM

Yeah, the rear coils for 1964 are special - especially for convertibles and cars with A/C. Anyway, the car was riding at the correct height and was handling exceptionally well, so I believe I will re-use these springs unless I find a source for NOS replacements.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: December 19, 2017 02:49PM

Sounds good Bill. Your rear camber measurement will tell you the condition of the rear springs . Both coil and leaf.

'29 Ford Model A Tudor
'61 700 Lakewood 110 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.
'70 Dodge Challenger R/T 440 4 speed

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 19, 2017 08:59PM

Well, both suspensions are now removed, including brakes and steering. All that remains attached to the car are the gas tank (which appears to be new - probably the only thing I won't have to restore), and all the control cables, wires, fuel and brake lines that run down the tunnel - oh, and also the driver's seat. I should be able to remove those in the next few days, finally leaving me with just a body shell (with doors, deck and engine lids still attached). Then I can finally start chipping away undercoating from the wheel wells (probably use a propane torch to help), removing any remaining seam sealer, and any other loose paint before sending it off to the body shop for stripping, repair, and paint.

And then it's on to tackling the restoration of all the parts I removed. Fun!

Here is a photo of the front and rear suspension parts stacked together at the rear of the car, and also shots of the left and right wheel wells.

I have to say, the EZ Car Lift made removal of undercarriage parts so much easier!

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 19, 2017 10:28PM

Before you go and use the heat, read SteveInMarrieta's post about the "Firebrier" restoration!
He used heat, but later said that if he were to do it again, he would use dry ice!
Read about that item here, . . . .

> removing undercoating with dry ice <

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 20, 2017 05:20PM

All the rest of the underbody parts were removed today.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 21, 2017 06:05PM

Using a threaded rod to disassemble the front suspension.

Works well.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: December 22, 2017 04:05PM

I was asked to provide specs for the threaded rod. Photos also attached.

I think all parts can be bought at Home Depot or other local hardware store.

(1) Rod 20” long, 7/16-14 thread
(2) Nuts 7/16-14 (use 11/16” wrench)
(1) Bar 4”x1”x1/4” - drill 7/16” hole in center - bridges space in lower control arm
(1) Washer 1 1/8” OD - fits in depression on top of shock tower (Upper control arm)
(1) Washer 1 5/8” OD - beteeen nut and bar

Remove the shock absorber and replace it with the threaded rod. Rod should be centered in the lower control arm with equal amounts of thread present above upper and below lower control arms. Tighten nuts to remove spring tension on control arms, then remove lower control arm pivot nut and bolt, then use wrenches to slowly loosen nuts, releasing spring tension. With rod in this position the spring cannot “get away”. Work both ends as needed so you don’t run out of thread before the spring tension is fully released.

Reverse above procedure to install new spring.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: croderique ()
Date: December 22, 2017 05:09PM

Thanks for the specifics!

Buckeye, AZ.
1966 Monza convertible 110 hp 4 speed Aztec Bronze with Bronze interior

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: January 02, 2018 09:28PM

It's been too cold to do much work on the car, but I am keeping busy documenting the appearance of the hardware. Right now I have each set of used hardware stored in labeled zip lock baggies, but at some point I will need to send it all out for cleaning and re-plating, so I need to have a fool-proof way of re-identifying it when it is returned to me. Thus, I have been making these drawings to document all the details of the bolts and other small hardware. These are just of the rear suspension - three pages. I will have probably twenty or thirty pages when I am done.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: toms73novass ()
Date: January 03, 2018 03:09AM

The detail in your documentation is awesome!thumbs up

-Tom


63' Monza Spyder Convertable (in process) MY Build Thread
65' Monza MY Build Thread
73' NovaSS 454 Big block
86' BMW 325es
98' Dodge 2500 12v Cummins Diesel with 1200 lb torque!
98' VW Jetta TDI, for daughter
01' Audi Allroad Stage 3 twin turbo

NFCC
Grand Island, NY

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: January 03, 2018 04:31AM

Amazing work Bill!

Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/COG Supporting Member/US Navy Veteran
Other fun car: Porsche 911 GT3
Boring daily drivers
Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: January 03, 2018 06:40AM

Way beyond my bag and tag. Really well done. Your restoration will be something for future generations to see. Have you considered taking photos of each part and writing on the photos? A regular laser printer would provide great photo prints on regular 8.5" x 11" paper with all the details.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: whubbell ()
Date: January 03, 2018 09:23PM

I am taking a lot of photos, but when it comes to the hardware, it is easier to do it this way (really!) because it comes off the car dirty and rusty, so it doesn’t photograph well. These are life-sized tracings, but I also take measurements and wire brush the tops of the bolts to check for markings.

I’m not totally committed to reusing all the original hardware, but I probably will reuse it wherever it is visible, so long as the original is in good condition and deemed safe to reuse.

My last restoration used a combination of new and original hardware, and I did send a lot of the original hardware out to be re-plated, but I’d failed to document as thoroughly as this time, so I ended up with a lot of hardware I couldn’t identify. However, I saved it and this effort will now help me to identify those pieces, some of which may be used on this restoration. It’s interesting to note that the bolt head markings seem to be pretty consistent with this car and the one I did several years ago.

It is getting tedious, however, and I may start taking some shortcuts in documenting, especially when the hardware is clearly the same as another piece already documented.

Bill Hubbell,
President, Stock Corvair Group



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Re: Glenn Corvair Restoration
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: January 04, 2018 07:25AM

I would use the original hardware if possible,,,todays Chinese hardware is JUNK !

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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