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Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 16, 2017 09:10PM

Hi Forum,

I bought this California built 64 Spyder back in 2012 and am curious if anyone recognizes it and knows any background on it. It has some unique white triangles I assume the original owner painted on all four corners by the headlights/tail lights as seen in the photos.

I found it on craigslist in San Francisco and the story I was told was that it was a "barn find" that had been sitting for 40 years, last registered in 1972 according to the sticker on the original black plates (BER-999).

I have never seen these white triangles painted on any other Corvairs. My friend and I have since spent a lot of time and money getting it road worthy. I would like to repaint it at some point down the road but have grown to love the white triangles and don't want paint over history if it does exist.

Do these triangles have any meaning and does anyone recognize this California car? Any info would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Greg

-Oakland, CA



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Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 16, 2017 09:12PM

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 16, 2017 09:38PM

Interesting!! Hopefully someone from the Bay area will recognize it!





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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Date: November 16, 2017 11:53PM

Looks in vairy fine condition!
Interesting owner's personal touch with those white triangles.
You can do a lot for the paint that is on it with some of the modern paint renewal products from Griot's Garage or Meguiar's and some touch-up of the worst spots.
The color is likely code 948 Palomar Red metallic - the Fisher Body I.D. Plate in the engine bay will give you the Trim & Paint codes
The wheel well trim is available to finish out the unique 1964 look.


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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: JerryM ()
Date: November 17, 2017 05:10AM

GrampsVair Wrote:
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> Hi Forum,
>
> I bought this California built 64 Spyder back in
> 2012 and am curious if anyone recognizes it and
> knows any background on it. It has some unique
> white triangles I assume the original owner
> painted on all four corners by the headlights/tail
> lights as seen in the photos.
>
> I found it on craigslist in San Francisco and the
> story I was told was that it was a "barn find"
> that had been sitting for 40 years, last
> registered in 1972 according to the sticker on the
> original black plates (BER-999).
>
> I have never seen these white triangles painted on
> any other Corvairs. My friend and I have since
> spent a lot of time and money getting it road
> worthy. I would like to repaint it at some point
> down the road but have grown to love the white
> triangles and don't want paint over history if it
> does exist.
>
> Do these triangles have any meaning and does
> anyone recognize this California car? Any info
> would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
>
> -Oakland, CA

I've seen the triangles scheme on some '50s customs. They typically stretched out a bit longer toward the wheels and referred to as "Darts".

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: bbakerga ()
Date: November 17, 2017 07:07AM

personally, I would remove those triangles and see if I can buff/restore that existing paint. Is it the original paint? If so, your car is most valuable in its original, unrestored state. I sure would like to see you put correct ‘64 taillights on it, though... winking smiley

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: Frank DuVal ()
Date: November 17, 2017 07:56AM

No, not Palomar Red. 948 Palomar Red is metallic.

Most likely candidate is Ember Red, code 922.

Look at body data plate in engine compartment.

Frank DuVal

Fredericksburg, VA

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: November 17, 2017 09:04AM

Looks to me like the PO painted them on as a reflector to show the corners of the car. No side markers in those days. Foggy SF would need all the visibility one can get.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
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1966 Monza Soon to be race car
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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 17, 2017 09:19AM

Looks like a very nice car to have found, congrats..

No help on identification...but agree with others..

Paint looks to more like code 922 Ember Red..just clean those "triangles" off and cut/buff the rest of the car paint and bring it up to a nice shine. It is only original paint once in it's life.

Time to go on a swap meet or Ebay hunt to find 64 rear brake and backup lenses as well as some wheel well chrome to "complete" the car.

How did the interior fair after its long stay in the "barn"?

Post a picture of the Fisher Trim tag from the engine bay and I will decode it for you...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
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RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 17, 2017 02:48PM

Good advice here. The paint is original so I will try some Griot's Garage in lieu of paint. Much cheaper too. Hopefully that will put some life back into it. Year correct tail lights and trim coming soon.

Bob, you may be right about the fog theory. The white paint is reflective.

Rick, the interior is original. It kept well, just needs carpet. And you are correct about the color code. 922-E it is.

I have attached a pic of the Trim Tag. Thanks for decoding!

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 18, 2017 08:16AM

09A = Body built 1st week of September 1963
64-627 1964 Model year Corvair Spyder Coupe
WR 194 = 194th Spyder coupe built at Willow Run Michigan assembly plant
TRIM 712 = Black bucket seats
PAINT 922-E = Ember Red Exterior with black painted interior
ACC
W = RPO A02 Tinted Windshield only
2 = Group 2 options start
L = RPO M20 4 speed Manual trans
P = RPO Z01Convenience group (2 spd wipers, w/ washer, day/night mirror,
glovebox light, backup lights)

3 = Group 3 options start
C = RPO B70 Padded dash
5 = Group 5 options start
V = RPO A37 Custom Deluxe front seat belts, no retractors (before Jan 31, 1964)

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 18, 2017 08:21AM

Your car is a very early build as production started in September of 63 for the 64 model year.

With your Sypder being the 194th, I would guess very early...

I am guessing your VIN to be in the following range..

40627W100200 - 40627W102000

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 18, 2017 08:42AM

ral1963 Wrote:
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> 09A = Body built 1st week of September 1963
> 64-627 1964 Model year Corvair Spyder Coupe
> WR 194 = 194th Spyder coupe built at Willow Run
> Michigan assembly plant
> TRIM 712 = Black bucket seats
> PAINT 922-E = Ember Red Exterior with black
> painted interior
> ACC
> W = RPO A02 Tinted Windshield only
> 2 = Group 2 options start
> L = RPO M20 4 speed Manual trans
> P = RPO Z01Convenience group (2 spd wipers, w/
> washer, day/night mirror,

> glovebox light, backup lights)
>
> 3 = Group 3 options start
> C = RPO B70 Padded dash
> 5 = Group 5 options start
> V = RPO A37 Custom Deluxe front seat belts, no
> retractors (before Jan 31, 1964)


A Corvair ZO1 !
I am sure you want to keep those classic BLACK CAL plates, but that would make a fun personalized plate.
1964ZO1
It would really confuse people!
No-one has to know it is a convenience group, and not a performance group. grinning smiley

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Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 18, 2017 01:14PM

Oh wow. I didn't realize you could get so much info from the tag. Very interesting!! Also, I had no idea my car was a Michigan baby!

Rick, thanks so much for taking the time to decipher the puzzle. I still may not know what the darts are all about but I feel like I know so much more about my car now than I did before!

I will post pics after wet-sanding. And I can add fixing the glove box light to the list now that I know someone at Willow Run once put one in there! Z01 does have a nice ring to it. cool smiley

Thanks again all. Much appreciated.

'64 Spyder Coupe - Oakland, CA


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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 18, 2017 04:00PM

ALL Corvair cars produced in the USA for 1964 were made at Willow Run. It was the only car plant operating that year.

Your car would have taken a long train ride out to the West coast from Willow Run with all the other 1964 West Coast cars...

How close was I on your VIN? It is one of the earliest in my collection.

Is it above or below W102000?

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 18, 2017 07:54PM

Looks like it's coming in above at 40627W104600

'64 Spyder Coupe - Oakland, CA


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Re: Do you recognize this car?
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 19, 2017 11:56AM

Thanks, looks like my educated guess needs some more schooling...

There were 17,009 Corvairs assembled in the month of September 1963 but when I looked to "calculate" your vin I jotted down 7009..and figured somewhere in the 1st 2/3 produced for the month...I would have been closer if I would have used the correct production number..

I looked through my tag collection, they started building bodies in August as a build up for production.

So your body was actually built a few weeks into production at the Fisher Body plant.

Beautiful car and I look forward to seeing more pictures of it as you progress on bringing it back up to looking like it did when it rolled off the showroom floor.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 19, 2017 09:42PM

Okay Gramps, quit holding out on us.
What is that other car hiding out in the garage?

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Posted by: rubenjay ()
Date: November 19, 2017 11:00PM

American Mel Wrote:
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> Okay Gramps, quit holding out on us.
> What is that other car hiding out in the garage?


I'm curious as well.

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Posted by: GrampsVair ()
Date: November 21, 2017 09:06PM

The car in the garage is my friends '67 Camaro. He also has a '62 Nova. Trying to collect the whole 60's Chevy fleet over here... spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

'64 Spyder Coupe - Oakland, CA


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