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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: November 08, 2017 06:16PM

Nope. You put that tag on a '61 Lakewood and it is indeed YS-116. If you don't agree or understand, that's ok. Those of us that do are completely fine with this and understand why the tag is the key to the value.

Mike
YS-117

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 08, 2017 08:03PM

When I have a rich uncle die, remind me to never buy a Stinger!
Dave, I understand what you are saying, but I completely disagree with the concept.
It just AIN"T RIGHT !
That would be like me selling my Vert, but keeping the horn button.
Years from now I find another '67 convertible and buy it.
I go out to my garage and swap out the horn button with the one from the Vert.
And suddenly I can tell people that this is the same car that my wife and I had our first date in!
Hey! The horn button is the same! Therefore it is the same car !
If it looks like a duck.
If it walks like a duck.
If it quacks like a duck.
If it smells like a duck.
It very well may be a duck.
But unless it has the IDENTICAL DNA, it just simply is NOT the same duck ! ! !
To "re-body" a car, sounds a LOT like a spoiled brat not wanting to admit that he destroyed a very rare and irreplaceable car.
Obviously many disagree with me on this, but to me, if it does not have the V.I.N. that it left the Yenko dealership with, then it is NOT really a YENKO !
Let me put it this way.
Lets say that I bought an old beat-up Fiero.
Then I installed on it one of those Lambo body kits.
Then I go around to all of the wrecking yards until I find a totaled out real Lamborghini.
I take every ID tag off of the real Lambo and stick them on my kit car.
I go down to the DMV and manage to get them to give me a title to my created device that now declares it to be a Lamborghini.
Would anybody in their right mind believe that this is a real Lambo and worth full market value?
.
This may be a common practice, but as far as I am concerned, any car that has been "rebodied" is a "Clone" !

.

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: November 08, 2017 11:05PM

Mel,

I think if you are a Corvair racer who wants to run in the original Stinger class, the YSxxx plate is the key identifier to run in the class. The GM 10537xxxxxx body number is not important for the racer trying to meet class rules.

But if your are an "OEM" nut, then the GM 10537xxxx number is the magic number to prove your car is the real thing.

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 08, 2017 11:18PM

john.jackson Wrote:
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> Mel,
>
> I think if you are a Corvair racer who wants to
> run in the original Stinger class, the YSxxx plate
> is the key identifier to run in the class. The GM
> 10537xxxxxx body number is not important for the
> racer trying to meet class rules.
>
> But if your are an "OEM" nut, then the GM
> 10537xxxx number is the magic number to prove your
> car is the real thing.

Thanks John, if it is needed to even be allowed into a race, then I understand that part. I would have thought that any car that is built to the identical specs. would have qualified though.
Anyway, unless I was going to be racing it, I would never buy a rebodied YS.
But then, if I was racing, I think that I would ONLY buy a rebodied YS.
That may sound hypocritical, so let me explain.
I would not want to risk destroying a REAL YS, so a fake would be the only way that I would take one onto the track!
SO, while I understand the logic here, I personally do not recognize a rebody as an authentic YS.
Some will agree with me, and others will hate me for this thought.
Love you all, flame on !

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: November 09, 2017 03:17AM

Don Yenko was fine with putting tags on different cars. My buddy Steve has a letter from Don authorizing his shop to do so. If the creator approved it, it's fine with me!

Mike
YS-117

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 09, 2017 04:44AM

LOL...my $.02 and "my" opinion (since everyone has one)..

Stingers are like onions...they have layers....

I feel there are more "sub layers" but here is my take on the main 3...


If I am a collector/investor the Car is only a STINGER if...
The car has the YS tag and is the originally assigned body or has significant vintage racing history on a documented rebody


If I am a racer the car is Stinger if it has the original YS tag and log book/provenance documenting its racing history on any body, but in reality just the YS tag will do.


If I am a Corvair enthusiast the car is a Stinger clone/tribute if it was built to mimic the original concept in appearance or form to the original idea of what the Stinger was built to do and represent.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
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Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: November 09, 2017 04:51AM

Lets not forget in the eyes of SCCA up until what 82-83, if you were going to race a Corvair in Dp, it had to have a YS tag. They didn't care where that tag came from, how many bodies removed from where it started from it was. It just had to have a YS tag to race it.

Texas YENKO Dude
YS-070
YS-199
YS-320
Southeast of Disorder


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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: zarfnober ()
Date: November 09, 2017 04:54AM

A “clone” trying to be passed off as the real thing would have a fake tag on it, making it not a Stinger, but a clone.

An original tag on a non original body is a rebody. Nothing wrong with that, and it’s apparent the seller isn’t trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes with this sale. Race cars get parts replaced, but a body is not the same as a spark plug or connecting rod. The cars were built in a certain sequence with vin tags and body stamps, date codes on parts, all of which are very important to the cars value.

The history is very well documented on the original Stingers. No one thought back in the day that they would be bringing big money someday, so, cars got banged up in racing, rust, etc and got stuff replaced. Kit cars were built.

If you want a Stinger, and this tag is your only way to do it, by all means buy it and do your best to make it as correct as possible. Considering the scarcity of 67’s and the dated parts needed to do it, it’s gonna be a tough getting there.

I have to completely disagree with Mike though, a 61 Lakewood is not and never will be a Stinger, that’s just a waste of a tag.

I’ll be quite happy if this tag brings $7500. 😀

Rocco

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: jbyenko77 ()
Date: November 09, 2017 06:25AM

Hi Mel
Imagine that you own an original bodied Stinger with significant history and lived in a large city with idiot drivers . Buying a rebodied Stinger is the perfect way to drive one without worrying that some idiot is going to ruin it. As Long as you are honest about the history of the car when selling it,
The tag is where it's at

Thanks
Jeff ballard
Camarillo CA

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 09, 2017 08:20AM

Hi Jeff,
If I still lived in that large city with idiot drivers(Portland),
and owned said hypothetical car, then I would keep that original
bodied Stinger in the garage, and build a clone for daily driving!winking smiley

Rick, I think you summed that very well.

Rocco, I agree that a wagon could NEVER be a Stinger. Reality check here people.
If you are going to rebody, it at least needs a LM body ! ! !

And the most important statement out of this entire thread is just what Jeff said, . . .
HONESTY at time of sale !

.

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: November 09, 2017 08:26AM

texas yenko dude Wrote:
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> Lets not forget in the eyes of SCCA up until what
> 82-83, if you were going to race a Corvair in Dp,
> it had to have a YS tag. They didn't care where
> that tag came from, how many bodies removed from
> where it started from it was. It just had to have
> a YS tag to race it.


SCCA Solo still splits Stingers from 'regular' Corvairs.

ESP = Stingers (tagged cars, technically)
FSP = all others

ERic P.
DeWitt, IA

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: ys063 ()
Date: November 09, 2017 08:58AM

While I agree that rebodied stinger hold less value than original ones, this appears to me to be a fabulous deal. If I had the space and some extra money to actually start and finish the project, it would be gone already.

John Gray
Oshawa, Ontario

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: November 09, 2017 09:13AM

Sorry. To me it is not a real Stinger unless it is the car that left Don's lot with the YS tag on it. Anything else is a clone. There are many examples to site that make anything else seem silly. If I transfer a body tag on a 66 to a different car and make the options match the tag, is it still the car I took the tag from? No. To me, I would not pay anything extra for the cloned car with a tag than one without.

Accepting re-tagged cars will just lead to the mark being diluted. By that logic, there can still be 100 Yenkos even though everyone knows some have been scrapped. The great value coms, in part, as there are fewer and fewer of them available. Anyone think the tags can't be faked? Then you have a faked tag on a faked car. Slippery slope.

For what it's worth, I can't afford the tag or the car!

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now



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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: Mike Stillwell ()
Date: November 09, 2017 09:17AM

Rocco - some would argue a convertible should never be a Stinger, yet we have YS-302.

Mike
YS-117

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: November 09, 2017 09:21AM

I am building YS-362 right now! smoking smiley





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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: dryenko ()
Date: November 09, 2017 10:24AM

So, if a particular Yenko Stinger , in this case Street Stinger YS036 Stg II has all its original body and tag, is in quite nice original condition, what does this august body of opinion minded folks think it might be worth today ??
Specs :
Nice running Stage II, balanced, 300 degree Crower cam 140 engine, QSB, 389 Posi 2.54 CR Yenko transmission transaxle, GM metallic brakes, upgraded Bilstein shocks, aluminum drums all around and custom ordered Panasport 15 x 7 wheels with new tires.
Retains the back seat for extra passengers.
No rust. Ever.
Now, how about a almost identical Yenko "tagged" Race car but Stage III engine and fully prepped as a SCCA race car to the GCR of 1972, with period correct upgrades to the suspension for race track use, but with Koni Shocks, and the rest of the items listed above. And eligible for Vintage racing.
What would the difference be today??
Not looking for haters here, but reasoned thoughts.

Bob C aka Dryenko
Dobson, NC 27017

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 09, 2017 10:27AM

Mike Stillwell Wrote:
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> Rocco - some would argue a convertible should
> never be a Stinger, yet we have YS-302.
>
> Mike
> YS-117


Is that one a rebody?

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: cepak ()
Date: November 09, 2017 11:16AM

I'm confused. Does this car have the tag or not?


Tom Cepak
Fort Worth, TX

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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: November 09, 2017 11:42AM

Tom, 116 has a tag...





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Re: For Sale: Yenko Stinger #116 and LM Fitch Sprint
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: November 09, 2017 12:55PM

Bob,

As you may or may not be aware, Michael Leveque just sold YS045, which was also in the same condition as you described for YS036. I don't know what it sold for but perhaps a conversation with him might lead you a better understanding of todays market for a normal Stinger.

We know of some "special" YS cars that have sold for crazy money, but they are the exception to the rule.

I would feel that the tagged race car will also bring good money but not nearly as much as the COPO car.

I wish you well if you are trying to sell either of them...I just wish I had the money to make a real offer on YS036. I don't think you will have any problems selling it...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Rides
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



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