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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: jmaechtlen ()
Date: November 09, 2017 07:14PM

Well - someone knew how to make those pieces. Drawings must exist.
But setup and machining probably costs a bunch.
Hope you guys can figure something out.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: November 10, 2017 04:39AM

My original thought was to copy the GM fast ratio parts, worm and nut, so they would fit in a GM Corvair box NOT make a complete new steering box.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: November 10, 2017 05:49AM

I agree with Ken's line of thinking. There are still plenty of Corvair steering box housings and related hardware out there. Why not reproduce the items that make a quick box (as well as these being the items that do wear out)?

Lee J

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: soytrejo ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:04AM

This sounds like a "GOfundme" project for the right person...like Ken Hand?
I would contribute!
Frank Trejo

Frank Trejo
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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: texas yenko dude ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:09AM

vairmech Wrote:
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> My original thought was to copy the GM fast ratio
> parts, worm and nut, so they would fit in a GM
> Corvair box NOT make a complete new steering box.


Dave Herrin looked into this for me years ago, and the cost was a little out of orbit.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: vairjunkie ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:13AM

That's the problem with most projects like this. The initial capital investment is tremendous. Then, there's the liability issues should something go wrong.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: john.jackson ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:35AM

gnvair Wrote:
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> I agree with Ken's line of thinking. There are
> still plenty of Corvair steering box housings and
> related hardware out there. Why not reproduce the
> items that make a quick box (as well as these
> being the items that do wear out)?

Isn't that what Seth said he was looking at in the very first post on this thread? See his last 2 sentences quoted below:

" I have not completely given up on the quick-ratio steering box. I am working with a US company with the possibility of building a kit of those several unique parts needed to convert a standard ratio box to a quick ratio. This is still a long shot, but I will keep you informed as I go."

BTW, I like the idea of a go-fund-me for this size project.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:47AM

vairjunkie Wrote:
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> That's the problem with most projects like this.
> The initial capital investment is tremendous.
> Then, there's the liability issues should
> something go wrong.



Okay, I am no lawyer, so maybe this is just not real thinking here, but I will voice it and let you guys shoot me down.
.
What if everyone who wants one does not purchase a "product", but rather buys into the PROJECT?
As a project member you would receive a product "sample" for evaluation.
What you do with that "sample" is your business.
But, as a owner, you are personally responsible for that liability since you are "the manufacturer".
It probably does not work that way, but it sounds good!grinning smiley

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: cepak ()
Date: November 10, 2017 08:53AM

Before anyone should even start a project like this, or even a go fund me page,
you need a bit of information first:

1) Determined what the tooling cost will be.
2) Determine what the per unit/kit cost will be.
3) Determine How many units/kits will realistically sell.
4) Determine what the units/kits sale price will be.
5) Determine what your return on investment will be.

In my opinion, it will be very expensive to make, which will limit the number
of realistic sales of this unit/kit, and not be economically feasible.


Tom Cepak
Fort Worth, TX

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: November 11, 2017 08:54AM

I'm glad I got my box when I did- Those boxes are simply awesome. I had zero problems setting the lash correctly, and after the install, I was amazed at how
nice the steering action was. I wonder if Flaming River might reconsider if there were a large enough "pre orders"?

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: November 11, 2017 10:04AM

63turbo Wrote:
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> I'm glad I got my box when I did- Those boxes are
> simply awesome. I had zero problems setting the
> lash correctly, and after the install, I was
> amazed at how
> nice the steering action was. I wonder if Flaming
> River might reconsider if there were a large
> enough "pre orders"?

F.R. does have the tooling, so a large enough "one time run" might persuade them. However who is going to come up with that kind of money unless enough deposits are accumulated.

As Clark's likes to say "Due to low demand and high up front purchase costs this INSERT PART NAME may never be reproduced again".

Another cost of doing business - paying for a part to sit on the shelf until you sell it.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: 63turbo ()
Date: November 11, 2017 10:11AM

66vairman Wrote:
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> 63turbo Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm glad I got my box when I did- Those boxes
> are
> > simply awesome. I had zero problems setting the
> > lash correctly, and after the install, I was
> > amazed at how
> > nice the steering action was. I wonder if
> Flaming
> > River might reconsider if there were a large
> > enough "pre orders"?
>
> F.R. does have the tooling, so a large enough "one
> time run" might persuade them. However who is
> going to come up with that kind of money unless
> enough deposits are accumulated.
>
> As Clark's likes to say "Due to low demand and
> high up front purchase costs this INSERT PART NAME
> may never be reproduced again".
>
> Another cost of doing business - paying for a part
> to sit on the shelf until you sell it.

I agree- margins on stuff usually have to factor in inventory... buying
2 or three to sell one, or something like that. It might work better
to arrange a large group purchase though.

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Kevin Nash
Friday Harbor Washington
63 Spyder, Daily driver, EFI read about my project here: [corvaircenter.com]
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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: November 11, 2017 10:29AM

Too bad none of their parts are usable in the GM boxes.

I will pay up front for two! I have a 65 a 66 and a 86box that I can replace. I am now very worried about getting a QR box for my race car. Can very short arms make up for a standard box?

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: mwr ()
Date: November 11, 2017 11:05AM

I'd buy two as well, I imagine a lot of people would. Whether'a lot' is enough to get them to keep cranking out parts I don't know.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: vairmech ()
Date: November 11, 2017 05:57PM

Everyone, Seth and I have talked some about this. He has a couple of irons in the fire and I also have one.

As I said earlier I looked into this about 10 years ago, I even had deposits! At the time it would have been about $300+ for just the worm and nut but that was then. The best thing to do is label any parts like that for racing use only. If you decide to drive it on the street then it is on you. Besides if anyone wanted to sue me they wouldn't get much! I will probably hear from the people I contacted sometime next week.

Ken Hand
Handy Car Care
248 613 8586

Vairmech@aol.com

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: blackspyder ()
Date: November 11, 2017 05:58PM

My big issue with Flaming River is that they had a bunch of bad steering boxes out there that were manufactured wrong, and there answer to their mistake is to stop making the product?

I purchased mine through Seth, and he called me and left me a voicemail message not to install the box before I talked with him. Unfortunately I had one of the bad boxes. Seth refunded my money, apologized, and said he would be in touch when he talks with Flaming River.

Now they decide to stop making them.

I don't know how many bad boxes they had out in circulation between Seth, Clarks, and whoever else was selling them, but at the very least they should be trying to supply the people who already had purchased their product , however many there are of us, with a replacement

I like the idea of a limited run, I would purchase 2 of them, and if we have to pre-pay or put a deposit on them I would be fine with that.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: November 11, 2017 07:04PM

Okay - There were about 15 bad boxes built. Clarks had 12, I had three. All were returned and Flaming River credited me - And I credited Clarks to cover their costs. The problem is truly that there are no good ones built and there are no parts to build the correct ones. In order to built the correct boxes new tooling and new parts will have to be designed and built. I cannot buy 300 new boxes from Flaming River. At my age, I may need my retirement savings. As Ken mentioned, both he and I are working to solve this "problem". It may happen, it may not. All I can promise is that I will do what I can do to address it, and that I will keep the public appraised of the situation.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: blackspyder ()
Date: November 11, 2017 07:36PM

Seth, I am sure I am not the only one that will say this, but I appreciate everything you have done and are trying to do to help this situation. I know this will be an uphill battle because we are fighting big business and we have a very limited number of people who want this product. I thank you for being up front with the problem and there was never and issue with you refunding the money. We need more people in the Corvair community like you.

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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: November 11, 2017 07:58PM

Wasn't the problem the boxes were reversed? But the older ones were fine? The ones I have seem to be fine, so if they were making them correct, then made some reversed, they must still have the tooling or parts to make them correct again? Seems like a strange deal to me?





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Re: IMPORTANT INFO!!! Flaming River quick-ratio steering boxes.
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: November 11, 2017 08:49PM

There were two issues with those last boxes. The gears were wrong inside. They were from another box that they built. They fit in the box, but were wrong for this application. Second, the new housing they used was designed for the T-bucket application that was originally shared with the Corvair. The new housing design would not fit up into the space available between the frame horn and the trunk sheet metal. The good news is that this precluded the installation of the incorrect box into a Corvair. Flaming River knows all this now. I hope to have a solution to this issue. Stay tuned.

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