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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: November 02, 2017 03:09PM

63turbo Wrote:
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> redone76 Wrote:
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> > Has
> > anybody tried to do something like this or is
> it
> > just swap to an aluminum pan?
> >
> I seem to recall a picture that was in the
> fastvair archives from years ago
> where someone did something similar, but it was
> not a single reinforcement piece like you did...
> what I remember seeing was rectangular blocks
> under
> each bolt... they would have been long enough to
> fill in the area between each
> bolt. Your way is much simpler, and ought to work
> quite well!

I remember seeing those before also.
Didn't Clark's sell those little blocks?

WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 02, 2017 03:09PM

2ragtops Wrote:
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> Hey redone
>
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> Put me on the list to buy one, great idea.


Will do! Thanks.

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: MonzaJPD61 ()
Date: November 02, 2017 04:25PM

Beautiful! How much for one?

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: beenzo2since71 ()
Date: November 02, 2017 05:08PM

let me know how much and more, know it works for you, I have spent much time getting my "good " pan straight ! tried daves "silicone, #2 permatex, hitach,made my old gasket, even put longer studs in my leak area is by bell housing , using crown adapter plate for vw swing arm. best so far was hondabond, thanks , al

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 02, 2017 07:19PM

Cool guys. I’m thankful for the interest. Just need to dial it in and see how it works on my van. I’ll post feedback ASAP

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: kdrolt ()
Date: November 05, 2017 09:59AM

Suggestion - Use studs plus lock washers instead of bolts. You could use blue Loctite on the studs-to-block end. This prevents wear on the block threads. Buy studs long enough to work with the gasket girdle.

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: CoCoCo ()
Date: November 05, 2017 10:26AM

Exactly. And if you wanted even more torque you could go to the trouble of using thread inserts into the aluminum.
I'm surprised this doesn't come up every time we talk about leaky pans actually. Lots of clever people here that know how to machine stuff (thanks redone76!) so figured we'd be seeing a kit by now.

I was thinking inserts, thread-locked and sealed studs, load spreader and some form or another of light nut locker. As simple as split washers? Or toothed flange nuts? Seems that with the thick steel load-spreader there would be many options because you're no longer worried (as much) about over-torquing the pan.

Seems like too, if you wanted to get real exotic you could add the proper offsets to the areas around and between the holes. Or a custom pan gasket that takes care of all that and includes the steel overtorque rings.

In fact, haven't I seen neoprene with steel insert gaskets already? Or am I thinking of the other engines that have that as an option these days?

Good luck with the design redone. Can't wait to hear feedback. Put me on the waiting list too anyway. I've used aluminum on two engines and they still seep more than they should.

Paul

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 13, 2017 08:24AM

Out with the old leaky oil pan and in with a new gasket and good used oil pan. Installed my oil pan reinforcement rail and new bolts with locking teeth. Torqued all the pan bolts to 70 inch pounds. Rail looks like its doing its job! Plan to drive the Greenbrier all week to put it through some heat and cool cycles for real world testing. I'll recheck the pan bolt torque on Saturday and keep you gentlemen posted.

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 13, 2017 08:28AM

Sorry the pics are upside down...

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: November 13, 2017 09:01AM

OMG your Corvair rolled over!!! :-P

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 13, 2017 09:03AM

flat_six Wrote:
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> OMG your Corvair rolled over!!! :-P

It was so much easier to replace the pan doing that!

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: November 13, 2017 11:04AM

You sure that isn't a FORD... flip over, read directions....smileys with beer

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: November 13, 2017 01:21PM

Ding Ding Ding, I think we have a winner!!!!!! If you start to make them, you'll need to find a use for the metal center piece left over from the cut.

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 13, 2017 01:36PM

rowin4 Wrote:
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> Ding Ding Ding, I think we have a winner!!!!!!
> If you start to make them, you'll need to find a
> use for the metal center piece left over from the
> cut.


Thanks! You're right! I do have some smaller parts I could cut out first

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: Brizo ()
Date: November 13, 2017 07:11PM

Looks good Redone! get back to us with new pics next Fall with after about 10,000 miles and no retightening so we can see how its holding up.

Dan Brizendine,
'64 8door Greenbrier 140 PG. "In beautiful Wanamaker Indiana...with one stop light and 5 pizza shops"

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: bbakerga ()
Date: November 13, 2017 08:02PM

I suggest using Norse Locks. They have been proven to retain torque better than an possible combination of thread locker & lock washers.

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: CoCoCo ()
Date: November 13, 2017 10:27PM

The extra bit is easy. A stock pan bash/skid plate!
Some pop-rivets and a tube of sealant and you're bullet-proof!

Or better still, now I see a new design revision coming attach it to the reinforcing rim plate so that the new skid plate simply bolts on with the pan bolts.

No such thing as "scrap" metal.grinning smiley


Paul

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 14, 2017 06:53AM

Brizo Wrote:
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> Looks good Redone! get back to us with new pics
> next Fall with after about 10,000 miles and no
> retightening so we can see how its holding up.


Thanks! I plan to give an update every month or so

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 14, 2017 06:55AM

bbakerga Wrote:
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> I suggest using Norse Locks. They have been proven
> to retain torque better than an possible
> combination of thread locker & lock washers.


I tried looking up Norse locks and couldn't find anything???
I used these serrated locking bolts from McMaster- Carr

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Re: Oil Pan Reinforcement rail
Posted by: redone76 ()
Date: November 14, 2017 06:58AM

CoCoCo Wrote:
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> The extra bit is easy. A stock pan bash/skid
> plate!
> Some pop-rivets and a tube of sealant and you're
> bullet-proof!
>
> Or better still, now I see a new design revision
> coming attach it to the reinforcing rim plate so
> that the new skid plate simply bolts on with the
> pan bolts.
>
> No such thing as "scrap" metal.grinning smiley
>
>
> Paul

Not a bad idea! Have to make an access hole for the drain plug and hope oil doesn't drain into the skid plate. I gotta ask what in the heck are you doing to your car that you'd need a skidplate anyway?!?!

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