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1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: October 17, 2017 11:05AM

Hi! New to the forum and new to Corvairs.

I picked up a non-running '62 95 van and got it working to (sad trombone) all of the wrong noises. So it's rebuild time! The engine is out and broken down; ready for the machine shop, hopefully in the next week or so.

I've never been this deep into an air-cooled engine before, so I figured I'd introduce myself/rig as I'm likely to have a ton of (potentially really dumb) questions throughout the course of the rebuild. Thanks in advance for the knowledge.



Dylan
'62 95 Panel
Seattle, WA

Wagons and vans, just clap your hands.

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: October 17, 2017 11:16AM

The advice I offer first is to fix a sig line here with at least first name/location city/state and year of your FC. That way everyone knows some info when trying to answer questions. Plus a reader here may be close to you and can lend a hand and/or parts.

Next is buy the shop manuals and the books authored by Bob Helt. The info is tremendous and the shop manual answers many questions without posting on internet. Next is based upon your location find a local club and join it now. ALSO join CORSA our parent organization. CORSA supports our local clubs and events, we need to support it in return.

Good luck with your project and welcome to CCF!!

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
CORSA/RMC/PPCC

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: October 17, 2017 12:33PM

Welcome Nick.
I remember your deluxe Corvan when it was for sale not too long ago.
I was tempted to pull the trigger myself.
Deluxe panels intrigue me merely because they existed.

Following.

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: October 17, 2017 12:37PM

WELCOME!!!

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: October 17, 2017 01:06PM

Welcome!

Grab the shop manuals and Bob Helt's Corvair Basics. These should get you started along with the Corvair Technical Guide.

Use Google search to find lots of answers, even on this site. The search site on this doesn't like queries with 3 letters. Four or more and you get a bunch of returns and you have pick your way through them.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2018 Chevrolet Silverado LTZ Z71 Centennial Edition
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 17, 2017 01:58PM

Welcome to the CF! Sounds like you are in the PNW?

Do as others have suggested....

What were the "noises" you heard? Vairs are notoriously scary to a novice with 12 flat hydraulic lifters!!





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Sea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
Click HERE for My Website...Click HERE for My TechPages!
..............................110-PG.................................................Webered-Turbo

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Date: October 17, 2017 02:08PM

Hey, Dylan!
Welcome to the Corvair Madness! Looks like you found a decent Corvan to begin your adventure!
If you would like to meet up with some of the locals, we will be at the "Sizzler" restaurant in SOuth Center Wednesday Oct 18th, (tomorrow)
Meeting begins at 7PM, but we have a board meeting that all are welcome to attend at 6PM. We meet in the back-room.
Come on down!

I've got a 1963 Greenbrier, another Dan has a Corvan, there are several Greenbriers & Rampsides among our members.

Check out the CORSA chapter "Corvanatics" linked in my sig line below. Plenty of great info to keep a Forward Control enthusiast online for hours!


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: October 17, 2017 02:55PM

May I suggest also the Corsa Tech Guide. There is a ton of information in this, accurate and right at your fingertips. Quicker than asking on the internet in many cases.
However we're here to assist also.

Corventure Dave

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: October 17, 2017 08:08PM

Dylan.
I hope you don't mind...
Here's the pic I saved last February,because I liked your panel so much.
Now that I recall,it may actually be a standard,but someone put chrome bumpers and hubcaps on it. Kinda foggy memory to be honest.
I think you picked a good one to work with,regardless.

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: October 19, 2017 10:30AM

Hey all, thanks so much for the welcome and resources! It's clear that the van and I have found our way into a great community.


MattNall Wrote:
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>Welcome to the CF! Sounds like you are in the PNW?
>What were the "noises" you heard? Vairs are notoriously
>scary to a novice with 12 flat hydraulic lifters!!

Yep, here in sunny (only 1.35" of rain yesterday) Seattle.
Lots top-end thwacking noises. Looks like collapsed lifters, based on the bent pushrods. Possibly oil starvation at some point. Plus side is the bottom end looks pretty decent: light scoring on the mains, but no discoloration or spun bearings.


1966-Corsa-GT-180 Wrote:
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>If you would like to meet up with some of the locals,
>we will be at the "Sizzler" restaurant in SOuth Center
>Wednesday Oct 18th, (tomorrow)

Thanks! Busy day yesterday, but I'd definitely like to make it to a meeting at some point.


Pedigo Wrote:
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> Now that I recall,it may actually be a
> standard,but someone put chrome bumpers and
> hubcaps on it. Kinda foggy memory to be honest.
> I think you picked a good one to work
> with,regardless.

Exactly. No rear reflectors and as far as I can tell the only options are the 4-speed and air heater. I think the hubbies are from a similar-year C10?
Either way, I'm completely in love with it at this point and can't wait to get it back on the road.

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 19, 2017 10:48AM

Most likely after setting a long time and engine was started....Sticking valves...real common...bent pushrods follow

Sadly you didn't get here sooner.... we have instructions for safely starting engines that have set for long periods..

But now that it is apart... CLEAN everything and re-assemble with new parts as needed...





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Sea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
Click HERE for My Website...Click HERE for My TechPages!
..............................110-PG.................................................Webered-Turbo

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: October 19, 2017 03:28PM

Hi Dylan,
On the Corvanatics web site the Resources page might be a good place to start
https://www.corvair.org/chapters/corvanatics/resources.php

You'll find a lot of information posted there.

Steve
corvanatics Webmaster

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: April 05, 2018 06:57PM

There's a light at the end of the tunnel! That light of course being the start of a whole new tunnel. I just got word that machine work on my engine should (if I'm lucky, which I clearly am not) be done within the next couple of weeks.

So it's time for Stupid Question #1. While amassing parts for the rebuild, I ended up with an Isky 260 camshaft. Question is, is it worth it to try to run this cam in the FC engine? And what would need to be changed from stock to do so? Pushrods, rockers, etc.?

It was more of an impulse buy than anything. So I won't be terribly disappointed if the answer is "get a stock cam, dumbass."

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: April 05, 2018 07:20PM

If anyone gives you that reply, I will be quite shocked!
We tend to be a bit more diplomatic here on CCF.

Diplomacy:
The art of telling someone,
Where to go,
How to get there,
And what to do with themselves once they get there,
In such a way that they look forward to the trip!

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WA. state, 1 mile south of the Canadian border,
I am not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here.
'66 Monza Coupe - 4spd, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 Monza Vert. - PG, 140 Daily driver beater
'67 A/C Moredoor Monza - 140 4-spd. driver

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: April 06, 2018 04:52AM

An Isky 260 would be a good choice for your application in my opinion.

Jim Brandberg
Isanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: April 10, 2018 05:09PM

JimBrandberg Wrote:
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> An Isky 260 would be a good choice for your
> application in my opinion.
>

I like the sound of that! Thoughts on different pushrods, or is the change too mild to worry about?

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: April 14, 2018 11:58AM

After what has seemed like forever...

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 14, 2018 12:28PM

No9w the fun begins!





MODERATOR
Sea Mountain, between Charleston Harbor and Coos Bay! SW Oregon Coast
Click HERE for My Website...Click HERE for My TechPages!
..............................110-PG.................................................Webered-Turbo

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: JimBrandberg ()
Date: April 16, 2018 05:35AM

The pushrods should be fine as far as strength is concerned. Sometimes a different length is called for so the rocker arm comes into good contact with the valve tip during it's sweep, valvetrain geometry. Some things that affect pushrod length are a regrind cam with smaller base circle, milled heads and different thickness gaskets. You can get it assembled and observe the rocker arm to valve tip contact as you turn it over. If the hydraulic lifter compresses all the way before it starts to move the pushrod it may affect what you see a bit, the valve won't quite be opening all the way like it will be later in operation, just something to consider when deciding. 12 slightly longer pushrods can be a little spendy. The biggest factor in your pushrod geometry will be your camshaft base circle, maybe compare the Isky to the stock cam before installing to help form a hypothesis.

Sometimes I think I ramble on too much, I hope I'm not a jim3, although I do enjoy that other guy's posts sometimes.

Jim Brandberg
Isaanti, MN
CorvairRepair.com

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Re: 1962 Panel Van Engine Rebuild
Posted by: Nick_Soapdish ()
Date: April 16, 2018 10:31AM

JimBrandberg Wrote:
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> You can get
> it assembled and observe the rocker arm to valve
> tip contact as you turn it over. If the hydraulic
> lifter compresses all the way before it starts to
> move the pushrod it may affect what you see a bit,


This is my main concern right here. Is there a way to make sure the valves are getting full lift while cycling the engine? Make sure the lifters are juiced up?

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