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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:48AM

i dont think it drags when its warm, it just doesnt hardly crank, it doesnt grind or anything like that, the way it "should" if the armeature is draggin right?

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:51AM

Right.. just rotate the endplate 180 deg.

The Armature is only a few thousands away from the field windings... this is a very common occurrence with GM starters of the era.

No "grind" just starter turns slower and has less power / torque.

DO IT! gg





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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:56AM

ok, ill see if that has anything to do with it. I want to get this done as much as you want me to get it done as well gggg winking smiley

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: December 05, 2017 11:03AM

The Corvair starter has NO nosecone in the conversion. The bushing is in the transaxle. You have already stated the bushing is bad. That will cause the drag and probably made worse with heat soak since turbo is close by. Some of the reason starter works better cold too.

Most parts stores will not have an adapter to support the armature in a VW starter these days.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 11:07AM

no the bushing is fine, it just rotated in the transaxle housing. I need to epoxy it it or JB weld or something.
But the bushing is useable it just needs to be somehow secured in the transaxle properly.

Thanks for all the help

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: December 05, 2017 11:12AM

You said bushing was loose. It is called 'offset' bushing for a reason. The hole is not in the center. There are very specific details of the placement of the bushing. If not exactly in correctly the armature will not be centered and starter will drag.

This is why you need a starter that is supported on both ends. 928 or one of the HD units that you were going to buy yesterday.

best wishes, Steve
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1967 monza 110/4 1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 07, 2017 05:31AM

Ok ill have to try that, but i now realized that in order to get all the parts i need for my car efficiently, it makes more sense for me to buy a parts car. So gonna get a 1974 super beetle, with a dash, and fenders, and hood, whcih i need. For 500 bucks. Clean title and all, with only 24000 original miles on it, second owner.

Starter, i'm figureing out what would be the best way to secure that offset bushing in there, JB weld, possibly, or welding the case, and drilling out the proper size hole, and then epoxy it it there good and proper. Or bite the bullet and buy a new starter. Like a hi torque gear reduction one similar to the 928's.

LMK what might be the best option, i dont really have a ton of money to spend right now, but as it will save time in the future to have to take the starter out and such, it may be worth the extra money. But the question is, will it fit the transaxle and will it need to be shimmed to fit properly?? Anybody have experience doing this??

Thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: December 07, 2017 06:54AM

Hmmmm! a non running parts cars, that should get your already problematic neighbors fired up.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 07, 2017 07:07AM

ohhhh yah, thats why its definitely going into the garage for the limited time that i have it, to strip all the parts i can off of it, and then either sell the body for a rat rod project or scrap it, either way im spending less than buying the parts individually. he wants 250 for the dash, the fender, and the side windows. But for 250 more ill get windsheild, all other fenders, rear window, and hood. The hood alone is flipin nice conditon, and is worth around 500 bucks, used. New aftermarket is less, but also junk.

So what do you think im going to do, buy parts for 250, or spend 250 more and get the whole thing?? What would you do??

About the starter, what should i do as well? Bite the bullet or try to fix the original one??

thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 07, 2017 09:36AM

A quick question, if the starter offset bushing is off (wrong offset) a little, would that cause the starter to turn slowly as well?

I really dont have much expirence in these matters, and would like the advice of others more expirenced than me.

Thank you

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2017 10:35AM

If it turns quickly when COLD [ 1st start ] then that bushing is OK

Rotate the other end and see what happens!!!





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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 07, 2017 10:59AM

yup, will do, i got the engine out right now so im working on all that stuff that you dont want to do, greasing breaings and brakes, joy!!!!!!.........not

thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2017 11:23AM

Troy, those are all things I go over first.... get them out of the way....





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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 07, 2017 11:52AM

Here's Vairmech's pic of that endplate with a new bushing about to be installed! You are following his REBUILD STARTERS topic?







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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 07, 2017 12:04PM

yup i am. Good advice and information.

Thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 08, 2017 05:21AM

i think that mine might have some of the same problems as the one he is doing in.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 08, 2017 08:36AM

TroyWidtfeldt Wrote:
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> i think that mine might have some of the same
> problems as the one he is doing in.
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Problem? Ken is just rebuilding some starters to sell.... he's working on 3 or 4 at the same time..


I posted the endplate pic so you could see how thick the bushing is..NEW

IF you look at yours... one side of the bushing will most likely be thinner!





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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 08, 2017 03:06PM







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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 08, 2017 03:44PM

Now that is FUNNY !

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 11, 2017 07:05AM

yah it is, ok i ordered a new bushing for the back plate of the starter, and a bunch of other little stuff, bushings and such for the steering, tie rod ends and so forth, kinda needs a n overhaul. It would work as is, but speed wobble is death in a car like this.

Do you guys think i should put a couple braces to support the engine, or would that increase vibration?? Even if it does, would that increase the possibility that the engine will last longer.

I got the engine out now, so i'm going through all the valves and check everything for any problems. And yes MattNall, its easier getting the things you dont want to do done first, so that you do be like, oh yah ill get back to that, and never do, until problems occur.

Thanks for the advice all, very appreciated from a dummy like myself

Troy W

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