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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:30AM

Ok but would it work? And which one? Is there a "better" brand or style, gear reduction etc.

Thanks

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:40AM

or could i get a reverse vw starter heavy duty, to work or would the flywheel and gear not match?

thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:41AM

Would what work? The 928 or what you suggest about the HD. You seemed to know
about some HD starter, I told you to buy it because of new warrantee. I have NO idea what HD starter you mean.

I build the Corvair engine to run reverse, I use stock Bosch starter.

best wishes, Steve
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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: Leon ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:43AM

The 928 starter turns backwards from the normal VW starter, so it turns the same direction as a Corvair starter.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:46AM

Leon Wrote:
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> The 928 starter turns backwards from the normal VW
> starter, so it turns the same direction as a
> Corvair starter.

Steve sez: I know Leon that is why I suggested it above.

best wishes, Steve
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1967 monza 110/4 1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:53AM

ok, im just using the stock starter right now, i put a link for a starter on the previous post, did it show up? But im now wondering if the HD starter would fit up on the vw transaxle, i probably would have to use the starter adaptor, but other than that i should work correct?

And sorry when i meant what would it work. i was talking about the starter in the link. Im thinking i should get a hd starter because then i wont have to worry about the bushing at all, but now i dont know if the starter has a special gear or not.

In this pic is the flywheel and ring gear, i dont know how many teeth it has but i believe that it is a crown manufacturing lightened flywheel sold in a kit. I attached a pic of what that kit was, im pretty sure anyway.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:55AM

Oh and im 99.9% sure its a 127 tooth flywheel.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: December 04, 2017 09:58AM

Look at OTTO pg 38 for HD options.

best wishes, Steve
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1962 spyder 3.0L turbo 1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4 1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 04, 2017 10:21AM

Ok i called up HI Torque starters and they have one, a little extra money, but lifetime warrantee and guaranteed to work/start. I might as well get it, its a corvair 127 tooth starter gear, and it fits in the vw transaxle.

Ill probably get that unless there is better options??

Thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 05:22AM

ok i pulled the engine and transaxle, me myself, and my jack. And my suspisions were correct the offset bushing spun in the transaxle. So im just goin to forget that and buy a hi torque starter gear reduction starter because the stock one can hardly turn the engine over hot, annoying but hey, thats the least of my troubles right now.

Thanks

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 06:16AM

I dunno if that is normal that the starter cant hardly turn the engine over when its hot. Maybe its because its got 95 cylinder heads? What do the pros think? Why wont it turn it over properly? It will fire up fine cold, but after running and you shut it off, it grunts and hardly turns it over, veeery slooowly. I replaced the brushes and cleaned up all the coils but didnt make much difference.

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Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: Spectre ()
Date: December 05, 2017 07:13AM

I doubt 95 hp heads bump up compression that much. I'd still guess a starter issue. The stock starter, when in good form, cranks 110's and 140's, and they have higher compression than 95's. I had a 140 with increased comprerssion (gasket step milled off) and a good stock starter had no problems with it.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 07:17AM

ok, could the starter have some internal issue? like i said i replaced the brushes, they were pretty worn, and cleaned everything up inside, and it still has issues cranking over, is there some sort of way to fix that, i got a new solonoid as well, and it turns over good like its supposed to, but after its ran and the engine is hot it just cant do it.

I dunoo what else could be wrong?

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:10AM

High resistance in the starter cables, poor grounding, internal issue with the starter causing high amperage draw.
You can have you starter tested at a lot of FLAPS.
But the stock Corvair starter will starter even a lot of high compression engines when all of the above are correct or in proper working order.

Lee J

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:21AM

Ok well im getting the starter problem figured out, i decided to make a brace in the frame to support the engine and tranny a little better. Just some black pipe from menards or something, and should be in business. I just thought about this, could some of the coils or something be damaged, or maybe the part that spins?

I dunno

Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:23AM

What is a lot of FLAPS?
Makes sense otherwise, ill check the cables and see maybe the beetle one isnt big enough for the corvair starter, could be the case, its just the stock cable.

Might be some crud in the starter, ill clean it out again with brakleen and see what happens.
Thanks
Troy W

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:27AM

Anything is possible, but the most likely are the very things that Lee just listed.

"High resistance in the starter cables, poor grounding, internal issue with the starter causing high amperage draw.
You can have you starter tested at a lot of FLAPS.
But the stock Corvair starter will starter even a lot of high compression engines when all of the above are correct or in proper working order."
Lee J

You stated that it works fine when cold.
That is a big clue right there.

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:28AM

Troy, have you changed the bushing in the endplate? It wears on the bottom and the the starter's armature "drags" when warm...

Look at it and you'll see.... when you re-inst... make sure the GOOD part of the bushing [ not worn ] is on the bottom of the shaft when the starter is mounted.





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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: American Mel ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:29AM

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Re: Corvair Engine in a '73 vw bug!!
Posted by: TroyWidtfeldt ()
Date: December 05, 2017 10:44AM

ok thanks all, so i might be in the wire? The endplate? on the end of the starter or? So just flip that end plate? When its cold it starts fine, sorry why is that a big clue? It means that something in the starter? Sorry for being such a numbskull but i would like some clarity on it.

Thanks

Troy W

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