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Bad Starter?
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: May 19, 2017 05:29PM

SO I went to start the car and it turned over a few times then nothing. No click, no noise. Nothing. The battery is fully charged , I checked with a battery charger. So any ideas? Starter itself? Or just the solenoid. I tried jumping it from the harness to the positive battery terminal but still nothing. Could it be the ignition switch?

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 19, 2017 05:54PM

Cable connections clean and tight?





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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: May 19, 2017 10:36PM

There was another thread on this a while back. Lots of troubleshooting tips. Search it and see if some of those ideas help. Too many to list here, by me anyway.

The wire connecting from the engine harness to the starter does get corroded and loose. Odd that it won't budge when direct current is applied to the large terminal. It should spin regardless what else is wrong. If your up for it, pull it out and bench test it. Could be the Bendix drive is stuck on the flywheel. Sorry, god verbose. Do the search, it will help you.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: May 20, 2017 06:09AM

BobV66Vair Wrote:
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Odd that it won't budge when direct current is applied to the large terminal. It should spin regardless what else is wrong.


igotajob2 Wrote: . I tried jumping it from the harness to the positive battery terminal


Bob, he didn't jump it directly to the starter large terminal. I agree that if he had that would have ruled out alot of issues.

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: vacorvairlover ()
Date: May 20, 2017 04:43PM

Hi there, I had the very same thing happen on my '64. After some time I noticed a little puff of smoke coming from the negative cable. You know the ones that are a braded bare cable. Well I replace it with the heaviest gauge cable I could find from the local auto store and presto car runs better than it did before.

John Garrison
Roanoke VA.
1964 corvair spyder convertable
1965 Corvair Monza 140 auto coupe soon to be my daily driver
2014 Ram 1500 5.7L Hemi
2011 Dodge Avenger 3.6L

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: dragvairclark ()
Date: May 21, 2017 04:41AM

Corvairs do not have a Bendix! The solenoid kicks a lever that engages the gear.

Clark Hartzel, Fraser, MI
1965 Monza coupe

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: May 21, 2017 06:50AM

OH GOD. Not the nomenclature police again.

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: May 21, 2017 08:04AM

So I jumped the solenoid with a screwdriver at the solenoid itself and the starter worked. I assume that means the solenoid it good and it's a problem in the wiring in the engine bay? It wouldn't work when I tried to jump it from the purple wire to the positive battery cable in the engine bay.

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: BobV66Vair ()
Date: May 21, 2017 09:31AM

If I read you correctly, you jumped the starter and the engine would turn as expected. Now you know the starter and the solenoid work properly. That only leaves the wiring or the ignition switch. Make sure you have a good ground to the engine and starter. It should be several short ground wires between the body and the engine shrouds. Then try checking the wires that go to the starter. Make sure each connection is clean and solid. You can use a basic multi-meter to see if you have good connections to the starter solenoid. You can test for continuity with the multi-meter as well. That can tell you if the wiring is well connected. Check each wire going to the starter system from one end to the other. You may find one is loose or failed.

If they are all good, try doing a jump from the battery to the solenoid through the wiring harness in the engine bay. If that fails, you have the problem and can replace wires as needed. Clark's may sell the small harness. If it works, you need to go to the ignition switch. Make sure it has good connections, power and ground, and see if you fixed the problem.

Bob Vinnacombe
Sandy, Oregon
1965 Corsa 140 stock
1966 Monza Soon to be race car
1968 Monza Parts for now

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: oldqmguy ()
Date: May 21, 2017 12:16PM

I think we need a 'little more' information on "what" was shorted! confused smiley

IF he shorted the Battery Input (Large Terminal at the TOP of the solenoid) to the Starter Motor Input (Large Terminal at the BOTTOM of the solenoid) and the Starter Motor ran, that only proves that the motor is OK! eye rolling smiley

That will make the Starter Motor run, but the solenoid is NOT engaged and the engine will not rotate. The solenoid may be bad! sad smiley

IF he shorted the Battery Terminal to the small Solenoid Terminal and the solenoid pulled in and 'spun the engine' then we know the solenoid and starter are good. thumbs up

GROUNDING: The Negative Lead from the battery MUST BE CONNECTED TO THE ENGINE! hot smiley

Most "new" Negative Leads have a LARGE Ground Lead (goes to the engine) and a smaller ground wire that should be attached to the Frame. The early models had a Large Ground Strap that connected to both the Frame and the Engine.

The "several short ground wires" were added for Static Suppression. The engine mounts "electrically isolate" the engine from the Frame. They cannot handle the current of the Starter.

I have seen a "few starter problems" in the last 50+ years. I hope this helps?

Dale cool smiley

Dale E. Smiley CPBE
RETIRED Broadcast Engineer
CERTIFIED CORVAIR NUT (Member of CORSA & Circle City Corvairs)
Avon, Indiana
WB9SFF
Current Project: 1967 4-Door Monza PG!

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: May 21, 2017 03:59PM

Thanks for the info guys. So I should clarify. I jumped the purple wire at the solenoid itself to the negative battery cable on the solenoid itself so I think that means bad solenoid? So again, purple wire post on the solenoid to the big post for the negative post on the solenoid and the starter turned. So bad solenoid?

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: May 21, 2017 04:16PM

Nope. Solenoid and starter are fine. All you did was bypass the ignition switch and all wiring. Plus that is the positive cable and lug on the solenoid.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/21/2017 04:18PM by Wagon Master.

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: May 21, 2017 05:39PM

Ok so I have one person telling me the solenoid is good,another its bad lol. Which is it? I jumped the purple wire post to the largest wire that goes to the battery. The starter engaged. To me that sounds like a bad solenoid.

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 21, 2017 05:43PM

No!! that shows it works...

DID THE ENGINE TURNOVER as long as you had the purple wire jumped? IE: "cranked"





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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: May 21, 2017 05:52PM

Yes the engine turned over...... well crap. A wiring issue complicates things. Could it be the ignition switch itself?

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 21, 2017 05:55PM

This is why you should own at least a 12 volt Test light or a $4 Multimeter from HF.!

Electrical is simple....once you grasp the ONE basic rule...





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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: May 21, 2017 06:01PM

""or a $4 Multimeter from HF.!""

Gee Matt I have at least a half dozen free ones. Great gifts!

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 21, 2017 06:34PM

jjohnsonjo Wrote:
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> ""or a $4 Multimeter from HF.!""
>
> Gee Matt I have at least a half dozen free ones.
> Great gifts!
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You and Motohead are going to Bankrupt HF!!! LOL!!





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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: May 21, 2017 08:14PM

What transmission does your car have?

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Re: Bad Starter?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: May 21, 2017 08:46PM

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.

Based on this info I believe a 3 speed manual was standard equipment.

'64 Monza Coupe 140 4 speed
'61 700 Lakewood 95 4 speed
'69 Monza Convert. 140 Auto.

Been aircooled since 1973
Northwest Ohio

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