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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:02PM

Hmmm... It's a standard clutch disk from Ken Hand, so I'm assuming it's the correct thickness. Is the thickness difference to which you're referring related to different types of disks, or variation in the manufacture of the disks? Do you know what the thickness should be?
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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:10PM

0.320" is max thickness....


but never makes noise... just won't dis-engage!





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:25PM

Looks OK; thickness is 5/16 (0.3125), uncompressed.
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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:35PM

Are you sure the disk was not in backwards?





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:36PM

Good question, but I know absolutely it was oriented correctly - first thing I checked.
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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: May 19, 2017 02:38PM

Can you show a pic of the flywheel, both sides of the clutch and they PP?





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: kenvair ()
Date: May 19, 2017 04:19PM

Steve, If that is the flat finger pressure plate you should be using the long throw out bearing. Picture shows short T/O bearing for the later bent finger PP.

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: kenvair ()
Date: May 19, 2017 04:50PM

Steve, I spoke too soon...that does look like the long T/o bearing with the radius on the PP side.

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: May 19, 2017 06:15PM

Here's some additional pics.

Clutch disk - pressure plate side

Clutch disk - Flywheel side


The audio of this video has the rattling sound the clutch disk makes.

Here's the back side of the pressure plate. My understanding is this is a early spyder PP.


And here's the flywheel:

with the aligning tool still in place.

Steve

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: May 19, 2017 06:46PM

I am thinking that PP is wrong? It has the spacers on the bolt holes? I could be wrong but think that is a transition year PP, 64 maybe?





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: May 19, 2017 06:59PM

I am not a early guy so do not know off the top of my head, but they made changes around 64 to clutch parts.





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: ROD ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:12PM

what the heck , lets see behind the flywheel

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:15PM

ROD Wrote:
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> what the heck , lets see behind the flywheel
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I want to see the main crank bearings! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:23PM

kenair, looks like the later short bearing to me also

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: ROD ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:25PM

I dreaded even mentioning ... yeah what kind of end play throws the flywheel back that far... if that thrust is gone. who knows maybe he has an HB with the early rear bracket and the HB touches the bracket and slows the motor down.

lets not get crazy yet this guy wont sleep.

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:32PM

OK, sorry it took me so long to get it disassembled, but this is the best I can do.

Steve

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:34PM

Split the cases darn it!!! LOL!!





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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: ROD ()
Date: May 19, 2017 07:34PM

I was impressed you got the power pack out today but now I know you are a Corvair JEDI MASTER

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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Date: May 19, 2017 08:18PM

c'mon, guys - Steve is in Ohio! He will be splitting that case while you guys sleep tomorrow morning...grinning smiley

This episode brings back such fond memories of my UniPak installation, with a "no go" outcome
Mine was definitely a clutch problem. Disc was in backwards! smoking smiley


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Re: Help needed for Firebrier clutch problem
Posted by: kenvair ()
Date: May 19, 2017 08:56PM

Steve, we need to see the back side of the flywheel because it has been bolted and most bolt heads are thicker than the stock rivet heads. This gets back to my original post regarding how close the stock flywheel rivet heads come to the lower 4 bolts that even installing a thin flat washer(which is not the case here) on these bolts will cause contact with the rivets. The thicker bolt heads present the same problem.

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