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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: briand ()
Date: April 18, 2017 05:43PM

stitch Wrote:
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>I, like most kids of the 60's, was told "You want
> a car?" "Go to work and buy it yourself!" smoking smiley

My Dad told me the same thing in '82 (12 yo) My Dad told me about two Corvairs a friend of his had (Cor what??? Hey, It had four wheels, my first car!!) So I sold my 1969 Suzuki TC120 for $200 (that I put together from 4 boxes of parts...with help from the instruction manual..BIG!! mistake DAD!)it was given to me)) Dad was a fireman..hated donorcycles))) and bought TWO (2) UNSAFE Corvairs!! Mowing lawns paid for the parts and weekends at the library copying pages from the Chilton manuals helped me learn about them and cars in general.

Brian Dowdy
Orland, CA
66 coupe 110 4sp, 65 coupe 110 PG Evening Orchid (been on 2.5 year hiatus ), 65 coupe 110 PG, 65 Monza 140 4 sp coupe tele wheel Evening Orchid, 65 Monza 140 auto convert w/ power top,Crocus Yellow, 65 Corsa turbo convert, '65 Corsa 140 coupe, 64 Spyder convert,64 Greenbrier 8 door, 63 6 door Greenbrier, 63 convert, 63 coupe, 63 coupe w/spyder running gear, 62 4 door, 61 Lakewood 500, 61 Lakewood 700


some of my work---> [photobucket.com]

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: phill66 ()
Date: April 18, 2017 06:02PM

>most of the kids are into their phones (Technology) and maybe aren't really into
>the 'Work on your own car' thing, I'll bet HALF have never lifted the hood to see
>what Daddy actually bought them...

Below is a comment from the subject article confirming the preceding statement
posted here:

Millennials don’t have the money to buy and just plain don’t care about classic
cars. They also don’t drive.

As the boomer generation dies off, we’ll see fewer and fewer buyers interested in
classic cars. Don’t believe me? Check out the market for antique furniture sometime.
Nobody wants that stuff anymore, prices continue to adjust accordingly.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/18/2017 06:05PM by phill66.

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: phill66 ()
Date: April 18, 2017 06:26PM

Some more comments from the subject article:

The Gen-Xer and Millennials weren’t brought up with cars you could work on. Many
have little interest in a car other than as transportation. Lots them don’t own one
My generation had a wrench in our hands early. We could tweak cars and race them and
love them.


Boomers believe the mantra ” he who dies with the most toys wins”.
GenX and Millinials don’t care.

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: April 18, 2017 07:54PM

phill66 Wrote:
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> Some more comments from the subject article:
>
> The Gen-Xer and Millennials weren’t brought up
> with cars you could work on. Many
> have little interest in a car other than as
> transportation. Lots them don’t own one
> My generation had a wrench in our hands early. We
> could tweak cars and race them and
> love them.
>
> Boomers believe the mantra ” he who dies with
> the most toys wins”.
> GenX and Millinials don’t care.




Basically true, all those big buck car collectors are going to wake up one day and their collection is going to be worthless. As stated the Millinials don't care about old cars or anything old for that matter. Maybe they will collect and invest in old cell phones. LOL

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: April 18, 2017 08:01PM

As I said before my local Cars and Coffee is full of GenXers and Millenials who are car enthusiasts. I see this as an alive and well hobby. They just aren't interested in the same cars as the Boomers are.

Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/US Navy Veteran
Other cars: 2003 Porsche 996.2 Carrera; Boring daily drivers; Serpent Express 18' trailer; 2005 Lotus Elise supercharged (SOLD); 1982 Porsche 911SC (SOLD)
Northern Colorado, USA



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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Kyle_in_Mich ()
Date: April 19, 2017 05:17AM

stitch Wrote:
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> Best post I've read in awhile...Seems everyone
> gave this serious thought I agree with Mel though
> about most of the kids are into their phones
> (Technology) and maybe aren't really into the
> 'Work on your own car' thing, I'll bet HALF have
> never lifted the hood to see what Daddy actually
> bought them...sad smiley
> I, like most kids of the 60's, was told "You want
> a car?" "Go to work and buy it yourself!" smoking smiley


I know this is a generalization of "kids these days," but lumping everyone from a generation into one bucket and saying they don't care about a thing is slightly insulting.

There is genX and millennials ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD! Even more in the Facebook groups and other circles. They don't show up to club meetings, no, but they organize and take part in the hobby in different manners. There is an ebb and flow to this hobby and just because it isn't going the way it always has doesn't mean its dying, just means there are going to be changes (for better or worse)

CORSA Member
Traverse City,MI
Daily driver- Bicycle
Fun driver/project- 65 Corsa 140/4 speed

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: April 19, 2017 06:06AM

Kyle_in_Mich Wrote:
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> I know this is a generalization of "kids these
> days," but lumping everyone from a generation into
> one bucket and saying they don't care about a
> thing is slightly insulting.
>
> There is genX and millennials ON THIS MESSAGE
> BOARD! Even more in the Facebook groups and other
> circles. They don't show up to club meetings, no,
> but they organize and take part in the hobby in
> different manners. There is an ebb and flow to
> this hobby and just because it isn't going the way
> it always has doesn't mean its dying, just means
> there are going to be changes (for better or
> worse)



Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/US Navy Veteran
Other cars: 2003 Porsche 996.2 Carrera; Boring daily drivers; Serpent Express 18' trailer; 2005 Lotus Elise supercharged (SOLD); 1982 Porsche 911SC (SOLD)
Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: dhomuth ()
Date: April 19, 2017 01:21PM

Speaking of cruising, back far too many years ago when I lived in Fargonordakoda (really), the cruising venue was known as Dragging Broadway. The term had less to do with racing than it did with the fact that for a very long time, the street was paved with brick left over from the Great Fargo Fire. It had frost heaves and bulges, and the lowered cars of the time often would drag on the brick on weekend nights when all the kids were out.
I couldn't do it in high school -- my family had One car, I didn't have a license so ended up riding with other kids. Including one that was considered declasse' at the time -- a white 1960 Impala coupe with a 6-cylinder and an automatic. But it sure Looked good!
When I turned 18 and moved out, I used my first car to drag Broadway. It was a 1959 Isetta 300. (See -- my interest in rear-engined air cooled cars started early!) No one else had one, that's certain.
It was a chick magnet -- girls would be happy to ride in it. I never had to be concerned about anything like Racing the stoplight grand prix. What it had was Style and Panache in spades.
My favorite question was "What motor does it have?" I answered "A V-1." Puzzled look. "Well, you know it's German." Seemed to do the trick.
The kid car culture has changed. I don't know if it's for better or worse. A Civic with a huge sound system doesn't do it for me. But some of these pocket rockets with the big turbos and nitrous systems can surely blow the doors off the older classics.
Just today, I was pacing an Infiniti G35 coupe down the street. Sort of looks like a 370Z that has been inflated a bit. Smooth design, though. Conservatively customized.
Came a stop light, and the thing just Blasted away. Good sound too!
I was impressed. Good to know that sort of thing is still going on in some circles.

1966 Corvair Corsa convertible
Same car I bought in 1/68 the night before I went to Viet Nam he second time. Got it back in 8/15. Plan its first public runout come July.


[corvaircenter.com]

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Paulsgt ()
Date: April 19, 2017 03:34PM

There is already a market for the early Subaru WRX. Those are relatively fast cars that have extensive aftermarket support. I predict they will be collectible in a few years.

Believe me after seeing these guys with the older WRXs. Sure it's different but the gearheads are still out there.

Paul Sergeant
CORSA Central Division Director / CORSA Treasurer <-new title
Lee's Summit, MO
CORSA since 1975
Member – HACOA, Corvair Minnesota, CORSA, Little Indians, POCI



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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Seth Emerson ()
Date: April 19, 2017 03:42PM

AS long as Factory Five is building kits, there will always be a market for old Subaru Imprezas.

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: April 19, 2017 04:12PM

Paulsgt Wrote:
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> There is already a market for the early Subaru
> WRX. Those are relatively fast cars that have
> extensive aftermarket support. I predict they
> will be collectible in a few years.
>
> Believe me after seeing these guys with the older
> WRXs. Sure it's different but the gearheads are
> still out there.

Great choice. 300+ HP, AWD, 6 speed manual (although I am told the CVT is faster). I chased a few of those around the track in my Lotus, they are fast and handle surprisingly well.

That car would make a great year around driver. Just watch out on the used market some have been modified by people who should not be allowed to hold a screwdriver. grinning smiley

Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/US Navy Veteran
Other cars: 2003 Porsche 996.2 Carrera; Boring daily drivers; Serpent Express 18' trailer; 2005 Lotus Elise supercharged (SOLD); 1982 Porsche 911SC (SOLD)
Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: April 19, 2017 04:49PM

Nick:

Same can said of some owners/previous owners of all cars, including ours.

Al Lane
Ellabell GA

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Corsa Turbo Coupe, 180 hp 4 Spd
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
2015 Chevrolet Malibu 2LT
2015 GMC Sierra SLT Crew Cab
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ HP PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Mark M ()
Date: April 20, 2017 08:56AM

Let us not be overly concerned. The market for collector cars was low about 7 or 8 years ago as well, according to the Hagerty report. And, the cars they cite all sell in the Multi-Millions of dollars. That's a distinctly different market than even the average 60s muscle car, not to mention our loved Corvairs.

The motivation behind purchase of a Million(s) of dollars vehicle is probably similar to the lower-market enthusiast in some ways (love of cars, etc). But, people who can spend over even $100K on a car likely have other motivations with investment likely being among the top - especially over the past 8 years when other investments were flat performers (think stock market, real estate, cash, etc.) IOW, why not buy a $2 million Jag - good chance it will appreciate as much as a stock portfolio.

But now, the economic outlook is better and performance of the stock market is improving. My guess - and I am no investment manager - is that cars are being sold so money can move back to the markets. And, less money is chasing cars - especially big $ cars, because the money is going into the market or real estate instead.

Lesson: go ahead and buy that $10 Million Classic, especially if you can get it for $9 million. Markets change and you can drive it to the CORSA convention in June.

Mark M
Project: 64 Spyder Vert running 80 hp heads and carbs
1st Vair: 65 Corsa 140
St. Louis, MO
Show Me Corvair Club &
CORSA member

"If it's not broken, you're not driving it hard enough"

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: phill66 ()
Date: April 20, 2017 02:22PM

Another interesting comment from the subject article:

The over inflated market has also brought up the value of less desirable cars
(like my 1968 Impala) because the average guy who wants to drive a cool muscle car
can no longer afford a Camaro Z28 or Chevelle SS. I purchased in 2012 and would make
a decent buck if I sold or if I hadn’t put a boatload of cash into it making it more
fun to drive. Thing is I only buy classics to have fun driving, not as an
investment.

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: viewmaster ()
Date: April 20, 2017 09:07PM

My novice, uneducated, worthless opinion: If you are looking to make money, selling your Corvair for profit, you have the wrong mindset. #sadtoreadsomeofthesecomments

-m



Mike
'65 '500' Sedan 110 PG
'65 Monza Sedan turbo'd 110 SU conversion
Fresno, CA

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: jmaechtlen ()
Date: April 20, 2017 10:32PM

check out the vintage auto racing groups.
VARA, HRA, and so forth.

Lots of vintage guys with really cool stuff!
Some younger types too, who want to race for less $$$ than full SCCA.

Interestingly, I understand there are a number of Corvairs being prepped in the SoCal region. (According to a source at Willow Springs)

There's also PCA and other specialty groups.

FWIW

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: jmaechtlen ()
Date: April 20, 2017 10:40PM

Jay Leno says - "If you make money at this, you're doing it wrong!"

Like any other kind of art - buy something you like - then it doesn't matter too much what someone else thinks it is worth.

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: April 21, 2017 05:35AM

viewmaster Wrote:
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> My novice, uneducated, worthless opinion: If you
> are looking to make money, selling your Corvair
> for profit, you have the wrong mindset.
> #sadtoreadsomeofthesecomments
>
> -m


X2

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: Frogfinder ()
Date: April 21, 2017 08:23PM

jmaechtlen Wrote:
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> Jay Leno says - "If you make money at this, you're
> doing it wrong!"
>
> Like any other kind of art - buy something you
> like - then it doesn't matter too much what
> someone else thinks it is worth.

I heard Jay explain it talking about restoring his Rampy.
"You buy it for $1400.00 , invest $30k more, and sell it for $14k. Just like the stock market!"

jeff

66 Corsa 140 4 spd
Houston, Tx

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Re: What the Heck’s Going On with Classic Cars?
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: April 23, 2017 11:41AM

Here's something to make everyone feel better..... copied from another online site....

"what a great, big deal it is to resurrect an exotic, now expensive, sporty Corvair."





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