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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 14, 2016 07:55AM

Steve:

Thank you for the photo of the engine tins. I have saved a copy of the photo to use as an inventory as I start cleaning and repairing the engine compartment.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG


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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 08:43AM

The air cleaner lids had an AC service notification on them.



I've seldom seen these still on the part. I saved this one so it might be replicated.

You can get decals that have this notification, but originally it was either pad-printed or silk-screen right on the lid.

The finish on this is close to gloss black. Engine shrouds are close to flat black.

These parts are all stamped sheet steel - not "tin".
Proven by the fact that many of these parts are rusted beyond use!
The only tin I'm aware of on a Corvair is the instrument faces.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 14, 2016 08:48AM

My van's air cleaner lid still has info on it. It will get painted over. The info does not apply to the paper filters used in them.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG


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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 14, 2016 08:57AM

I guess it's a trade-off; original service notification or cr**py looking paint. Clark's has decal replicas, but I'm not sure that they have that one. Was there specific designs for FCs? Did the design change for different years?
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 09:00AM

Al - Please don't do that!!
I'll trade you for lid's that have already be stripped of this original printing and you can paint them.

Steve may also want a set that has the original AC info still on them.
It's part of the originality of the vehicle.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 14, 2016 09:05AM

I'd certainly like originals, but are there any available with good paint?
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 14, 2016 09:05AM

Cut the AC of the left side of C12561 and it looks like you have what you need. It easier to read on Clark's site if you bring up IE's zoom to 300%.

Never mind. It has wrong spark plug number. Or it could be right for yours, if plug listed is a A99C.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2016 09:08AM by Lane66m.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 09:06AM

The Decals do not replicate the original look at all.
The printing was applied directly to the paint finish on the lid.
The areas of scuffed paint on the lids can be refinished without stripping the entire lid. Just takes some patience to prep and paint just the areas that need touch-up.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/14/2016 09:08AM by 1966-Corsa-GT-180.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 14, 2016 09:10AM

Dan,
Is there an exact paint match available? If so, can you post what it is?
Thanks,
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: August 14, 2016 10:00AM

Dan. This might be a good time for you to look away. My air cleaner"tins" are getting ready for their morning bath.smoking smiley
(Sorry Steve. He made me do it.😉)

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 10:20AM

Since it was an industrial application the paint process is very basic. Fortunately, the paint is black! The only challenge is to replicate the degree of gloss on the part and the quality of the paint application.
The air cleaner lids were spray painted, unlike most all of the rest of the sheet-metal on the engine which were vat-dipped in flat black.
Using an original as a guide you can mix up paint and shoot sample pieces until you are satisfied with the look, then mask and paint the prepped area on the lid.
No doubt the paint shop was only interested in getting the parts finished on time so they could be installed. There wasn't even a prime coat on the metal.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 14, 2016 10:30AM

Dan:

Here are my cleaner lids. The right one has been modified with a tube to run PCV system.

I'll get a current photo of them and post.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG


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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: eddieb ()
Date: August 14, 2016 10:53AM

Steve, is there anyone up your way that does silk screening? I'm sure someone somewhere will have a pair of good ones with a good decal. Ed

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 14, 2016 11:08AM

There are different shades of black and gloss. Matching the air canister color EXACTLY sounds like a good project for someone with the time, resources and experience.

Custom silk screening to match font, symbols, color? $$$$$$$$

Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 11:10AM

Steve,
Do you have a photo of yours with the AC Service Notice?
Would be great to be able to determine the chronology of the various notices. I know there are several different ones.


Love the 3D look from the applicator leaving trails of paint as it was lifted from the surface.
Just part of the wacky detail stuff that I love exploring when working on old cars...


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Date: August 14, 2016 11:25AM

With a clean photo of the design, making a silk screen is a standard process that makes a mask exactly from the design, so no need to worry about design, symbols, font etc.
It's done digitally these days, as well.
The paint color is custom mixed to the sample.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 14, 2016 11:55AM

My project FC was missing the canister lids. Only other example I have here is identical to the one you posted; but I do not know what year it came from.

Cool about being able to create a silk screen from digital image; I guess there are on-line services that do this.

Best bet is to repaint entire canister and silkscreen new label. Maybe we can make a group project out of this. If someone can figure out how the silkscreen can be made, and someone can provide a high resolution flatbed scan of the best quality original notification possible, I will do Photoshop-ing to clean up the image.

Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 15, 2016 04:17AM

Advice needed (as always). What is the correct restoration for the blower? Should it be powder coated? If so, what color?


Thanks,
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: eddieb ()
Date: August 15, 2016 05:06AM

Steve, always thought it was left natural but I suppose a dull silver powder coat would be OK. What do others say? Eddieb Dade City,Fl

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: funvairs ()
Date: August 15, 2016 06:04AM

I believe Eddie is correct, they were "au naturale". Probably terne coated.Clean it up with something mild, like chrome polish or 0000 steel wool, and leave it.
There is a clear powder coat, but I have seen some negative comments about dis-colorization with that. VHT makes a clear, satin finish high temp paint

Chris Brown

Central Michigan

Corvanatics Director at Large
Corvanatics Historian
UVMCC Vice President

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