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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 08, 2016 07:58AM

I checked out Communique 7:1 (Jan 1985), but the FC on the cover is a 62 8-door, and I saw no mention of prior role as a Fire Dept lighting truck. Might it be on the cover of a different issue?

The FC does not have any lettering above the windshield.

Thanks for the articles by Dave Newell. If it were an LPO, it appears not to have been designated "L62". The car shipper identifies it cryptically as "9552A six cylinder engine".
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: steve c goodman ()
Date: August 08, 2016 10:01AM

My error Steve it is CORSA QUARTERLY VOL 7 number 1. Issue would be 1977.

best wishes, Steve
Rear Engine Spec. Inc. Golden, Colo.

1962 spyder 3.0L turbo---1965 Crown V8
1967 monza 110/4---1968 monza 110/4
1971 amante gt 110/4
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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 08, 2016 10:10AM

The crankcase cover and oil pan have been removed, revealing unpleasantness. Before I drop the powertrain and do a full engine dissection, it's time to play "Damaged VD Engine Jeopardy!!"

What is the question for which the answer is...

1) Damage to the crankcase vent assembly over rods 5 & 6


2) But no visible damage to rods 5 & 6


3) A hole punched through the bottom of the crankcase left side below rods 5 & 6


Post your questions. Oh, and by the way, can this be repaired through aluminum welding?

Steve




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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: August 08, 2016 10:20AM

On the trans and Diff...

Transmission
R=4 Speed
0322 = March 22nd, 1963 build date

Differential
HL= 1962-64 manual trans, Posi, 3.89 ratio
0304 = March 4th 1963 Build date

All appears to be original equipment....

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/08/2016 10:22AM by ral1963.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: August 08, 2016 10:24AM

Picture of hole in crankcase....OUCH...

Hopefully the original case can be saved due to the rarity and originality of the vehicle and the VD build code.

Normally, this case would be tossed and another located, but hopefully you will get some good suggestions how to save this case....

Awesome find....

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: August 08, 2016 10:26AM

As unorthodox as this may seem, I have repaired this type of broken out part by using a product called Metalset A4 for aluminum. It has never failed me. You will need to clean the casting well, and possibly file it a little for it to get a good grip. I used it on an aluminum air conditioning line that had a hole rubbed through it. Even under high pressure, it never failed.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Dneprdude ()
Date: August 08, 2016 12:08PM

Looks great Steve. Ed told me about the FL fellow because of the Spyder he has. He told me about the haggling and some of the interesting qualities of the guy. I did call him about the car but it was too much work for the money. Ed told me the story of the van. Super cool project. BTW my wife is from Williamstown, so maybe when we go up to visit I'll give you a shout. Good luck with the resto.

Matt
Surf City, NC

63 Monza Conv. 102/PG
90s Dnepr Mt-11 - K650 clone
96 Honda VFR

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 08, 2016 03:55PM

I believe that Rick Loving has won Double Jeopardy.

The oil pan seems to have taken a trip through the LeBrea Tar Pits -- it was packed with sludge over an inch thick in some places.



A careful excavation found no extinct mammals but did yield a multitude of foreign objects. These include small pebbles and a variety of metal pieces, mostly contorted sheet metal


As Rick suggested, it seems that a foreign object (possibly the pebbles) shredded the sheet metal of the crankcase vent assembly. The metal pieces (and the pebbles?) were battered about violently enough to punch a hole through the crankcase. I hope to soon know if there has been any other damage.

Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: glivorsi ()
Date: August 08, 2016 04:38PM

Use a magnet to see which pieces are steel.

Greg in Wildwood, MO (part of the St. Louis urban sprawl)

1965 Monza Vert 110PG, Crocus Yellow with black interior and top

2014 Honda Accord V6 (DD)
2017 Honda Pilot (wifemobile)
2012 Chevy Sonic 1.8L (kid's car)
1997 Honda CBR1100XX
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 (no longer own)

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: solo2r ()
Date: August 08, 2016 05:33PM

Man that had to make a horendous noise!

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: junkman ()
Date: August 08, 2016 07:08PM

Spoke to a friend today, that said that if the block were empty, that it could be cleaned, and TIG welded, ground, and then bead blasted to the point that you couldn't tell that it was fixed. Now, you have 2 options, but I like the TIG welding best. It will be the most permanent repair.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 08, 2016 07:35PM

Thanks for the info. If it is fixable, I'll definitely go the permanent welding route. Peace-of-mind.
Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: August 08, 2016 07:43PM

I see the engine has the larger oil cooler (8 plate). Was that standard equipment in 63 for the high performance engine? Or did all 63 FCs get this cooler? Oh, nice find Steve and Ed.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: RexJohnson ()
Date: August 08, 2016 07:48PM

On the piece missing from the bottom of the block, does it need to be there?

RJ tools
Salem,Oregon

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 09, 2016 02:32AM

I believe that the 8-fin oil cooler was stock in all FCs until 64, when the 12 fin was used.

Not replace the broken piece? ... the thought crossed my mind if this were the only damage (and I'm not sure yet). But if the piece were not replaced I would worry (maybe unnecessarily) that oil flow was not occurring correctly and that it could lead to formation of a stress fracture in the crankcase.

Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Lane66m ()
Date: August 09, 2016 02:48AM

Is it possible the cam broke and on its death throes, the lobe knocked out the case piece? The engine couldn't have been getting much oil with the pickup immersed in the sludge.

Al Lane
Ellabell, GA 31308

1966 Monza Coupe, 110 hp, 4 Spd
1966 Monza More Door 110 hp, PG
1968 Camaro SS Coupe 350 CI 295+ hp PG
1964 Greenbrier Deluxe, 6 dr, 80 hp car engine, PG
1947 Farmall A tractor 15 hp


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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 09, 2016 03:41PM

Further work on the Fire Department Emergency Truck is good-news, bad news.

The power train was pulled with little problem


Separating the front end shows the clutch is in bad shape. Seems to me to be rusted beyond reprieve? Ditto for the starter


The rocker arms/lower cylinder head nuts came off very easily, and revealed push rod tubes containing more (much more) then just push rods.


The upper cylinder head nuts and the ends of the bolts were seriously rusted. I tackled these with serious heat, and lube. I used my Smith mini-torch, which used map gas and O2 (I've got it connected to a large O2 cylinder).


The head bolts were locked in place as best possible with a vice grip and other apparatus to prevent rotation. After torching the nut for 1-2 minutes, it was sprayed with a penetrating lubricant and then ratcheted off. Sometimes the nut had to be reheated 2 - 3 times.


11 -12 nuts were removed successfully, one bolt unscrewed from block (I'll replace with over-sized one). And what did I find when the heads were pulled...? Three of the pistons have holes in them, like this


Miraculously, the heads are undamaged, I'm planning to fully replace the valves and springs when the heads are serviced, but hoping the seats can be retained.


So what would cause holes in half the pistons? I've heard that detonation will do this, but in three? I'm pretty sure that it as metal from the pistons that damaged the crankcase vent assembly and the block. Fortunately, I see no other damage to the crankcase. The pistons were ceased in the cylinders, but after I removed the cylinders the crankshaft could be rotated with a ratchet on the pulley nut.

Question: If head bolts loosen slightly, like 0.25 - 0.5 turn, can they be safely retorqued? Should the torque on all the head bolts be checked?

Steve

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: August 09, 2016 03:45PM

Check ALL the Studs to 35 ft. lb. before re-assembly!


Keep on dismantling and cleaning... then measure!! You may be surprised!!

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: August 09, 2016 03:50PM

I don't believe 61 and 62 FCs used the 8 plate coolers. Only the FF cooler was available then. But I can believe ALL 63 FCs used the 8 plate cooler.

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Re: FC Fire Dept Truck Restoration
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: August 09, 2016 03:55PM

Matt,
Can you share some examples of where those surprises might be?
Steve

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