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Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 12:23PM

Does anyone have any solid proof one way or the other regarding the 65 or 66 Corsa only being available with a factory 4 speed trans?.. (or did I miss it when this was covered previously?)

We know the 62-63 Spyder option and 64 Spyder was only available with the 4 speed...and GM stated it..

but for the Corsa, it isn't so clear....so does anyone know of a documented factory original Corsa with 3 speed? (ie window sticker or build sheet?)

I have a window sticker from a 65 Corsa that lists the M20, 4 speed option and a $89.55 additional charge...(does not list any other standard features) so this tells me it was an ordered or automatically added option...

or does anyone have any documents that shows "you" had to order the 4 speed, along with the Corsa package...

According to a 1966 Brochure I have, it states the following...

Exact verbiage from the 1966 Dealer brochure for the Corsa..

Unique because of standard features you get with Corsa alone. Like the Turbo-Air 164 Engine with 140 horsepower. Like the appearance touches that set Corsa apart from it Corvair brethren. Both sport coupe and convertible flash distinctive nameplates and series insignia, new wheel covers with Corsa emblem, bright metal shift lever and base. Rear cove area is silver painted as well as covered with bright metal. Restrained refinements, to be sure; intended to beautify without altering the clean-cut concept.

Like the businesslike instrumentation the driver is faced with: special speedometer, trip odometer, manifold pressure and cylinder head temperature gauges, electric clock with sweep second hand. Tachometer, too (Lets you select the best engine speed to shift gears for maximum efficiency and economy.)

Also unique because it's the only production car in the world you can order with a factory-installed supercharged engine. We call this exclusive 180-hp Corsa engine the Turbo-Charged 164.

Get the feeling that Corsa completely upstages it fellow '66 Corvairs? Not at all. Here are just a few of its traits that run in the whole family, Monza and 500 included. Still the only U.S.-built car with rear-engine design. Unsurpassed ride and handling qualities. A new fully synchronized 3-Speed as standard transmission. (Means you can stab into low at slow speeds without stopping, just as your can if you order the 4-Speed version.) New comfort and convenience items now standard on every '66 Corvair: outside rearview mirror; padded instrument panel; padded sun visors; windshield washer and two-speed wipers (glare-reducing); backup lights; and shatter-resistant inside rearview mirror.

New-style taillights. A new engine air exhaust grille. New dual rear seat belts to match those up front (color-keyed, of course). Curved frameless side glass affording lumberjack shoulder room. And a refined four place ignition switch that won't let you flip the key into the "accessory" position unless you really want to.

Then, too, there are many niceties Corsa has in common only with the Monza. Plush front bucket seats, for example. Fold-down rear seat in the Corsa Sport Coupe. Richly carpeted floors; dual-spoke steering wheel with horn ring; convenient armrests.
Black-texture instrument panel trim plates; instrument panel dual courtesy lights in the Corsa Convertible. Luggage compartment mat, automatic interior lights, glove box light. And many more.
Oh, yes, one thing you can't get with either '66 Corsa. Bored.

Additionally..In regards to trans…

TRANSMISSIONS: Big news for '66 is the standard 3-Speed : transmission, now fully synchronized. As with the optional; 4-Speed version, you can shift into first gear at slow speeds
without breaking stride - no need to come to a full stop. Both transmissions feature all-helical gear design; short-throw floor-mounted shift lever; and shift and clutch linkages affording quiet, precise shifting and minimal pedal effort.

From EXTRA cost section..

ENGINES: 110-hp Turbo-Air 164 (available for all models except Corsa); 140-hp Turbo-Air 164 (standard for Corsa, available for all other models); 180-hp Turbo-Charged 164 (available only for Corsa models). TRANSMISSIONS: Powerglide is available with 95-, 110- or 140-hp engines (except for Corsa models); 4-Speed available on all models.


Rick Loving

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
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Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: WhenIm64 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 01:16PM

In my not-so-humble opinion there is no debate: The 3-speed transmission was standard in all Corvairs in 1965 and 1966, including Corsas.

First, I'm old and I remember when the cars were new.

Second, I have seen two original 3-speed Corsas in person.

Third, I have (stored 90 miles from here) copies of manufacturer's documentation.

--Bob

WhyImWhenIm64

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: 4carbcorvair ()
Date: March 20, 2016 01:18PM

I've never personally seen one. An old time friend of mine has seen/driven a couple 3 speed Corsa. I think most people wanted that extra 'performance' of a 4 speed and I'm sure the dealers felt the same, a 4 speed would sell better/quicker than a 3 speed. Especially in a Corsa. Any literature I have read in the past said all Corvairs came standard with the 3 speed, 4 speed optional. All I have.....

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Ronnie
Southern Maine.
www.dirigocorvairs.net
66 Corsa Convertible, 140, 4sp.
65 Monza Convertible, 110, PG.




It doesn't leak, it's marking it's territory.

A mirror is a reflection of the miles travelled.

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: March 20, 2016 01:19PM

My father bought a 3 speed Corsa in 65, drove it for years.







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Date: March 20, 2016 01:32PM

Just looked in the 1966 Chevrolet Dealer album > Corvair > Corsa > 3 speed Standard 4 Speed *RPO M20
*Regular Production Option

The enhancement of a 4 Speed always cost you money! Even on a Base Engine Corvette!


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 Corsa 140 Coupe ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Convertible Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza Spyder Convertible ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 CoupeEvening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 01:40PM

...all above Corsa's with 3 speed were 140's...no turbos?.... so could I get a 180 and 3 speed?

anyone with documentation...? I believe the 3 speed was standard.. but did the Corsa automatically include the 4 speed unless, otherwise "specially" ordered as a 3 speed...

but I have met many people who...

...owned a 4 cylinder Corvair... had the 4 carb'ed Spyder option...had the powerglide with a push button selector...could nealy pop a wheelie when the turbo kicked in.... all "remembered" very clearly...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: March 20, 2016 01:49PM

IMO no debate: M20 was an option for any Corvair. There was a Chromed version of the 3-sp shifter for the '65 Corsa model where 3 & 4 speed transmissions had different shifters; I had and sold one a few years back. Read all about it in the assembly manual.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
65 Canadian Monza 4dr 110/PG 40k
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: subdude17349 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 02:54PM

I too have owned a 3 speed 65 Corsa 140. Body tag did not have the 4 speed option coded.

Jim

65 Corsa Ct, 180/4, Blue/blue/white


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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: Spyderman64 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 03:33PM

I knew someone who had a '65 3-speed Corsa turbo. He bought it new.

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: irfgt ()
Date: March 20, 2016 03:57PM

All I know is the 3 speed is the worst transmission ever installed in a Corvair. If I owned one it would not be there long.

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: March 20, 2016 04:08PM

I drove a 66 monza 500 with a 110 and 3 speed for years, nothing wrong with a 3 speed trans for a driver.







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: NMCarNut ()
Date: March 20, 2016 04:33PM

4 speed transmissions were optional on ALL Spyders and Corsas. While the 4 speed was a manditory option for the 62 Spyder the 4 speed was optional from 63 on. Back about a year ago Hemmings website had an other than a turbo a no option 66 Corsa, three speed and all.

From the GM dealer information kits, 62, 63, and 64 Spyder respectively:

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: Dave Decker ()
Date: March 20, 2016 05:03PM

Funny timing. I've been looking at a '66 Corsa in Burns Lake in northern B.C. that is a 140 3spd and probably Canadian built.

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 05:20PM

Thanks for those that have played so far...

I am fully in belief of the 3 speed being the standard trans on 65 & 66 Corsa's and that they would have had it as the trans if the 4 speed was not specifically ordered. However, I have no specific supporting documentation.

I really like the source detail in regards t the 62 vs 64 turbo package. I am really looking for a window tag that also shows it...

I need a window sticker for a 65-66 Corsa, 140 or turbo with the 3 speed listed on the invoice at no charge...

I have the sticker showing the M20 4 speed option on a 65 Corsa turbo for $89.55..

The topic just keeps coming up...just today I was decoding a tag for a guy and several other people chimed in that the Corsa HAD to have a 4 speed...because they all were that way...they "said" I have been in to Corvairs for 30 years and every Corsa I have ever seen was a 4 speed...blah, blah, blah..

It has come up recently on VV or Fastvairs...it would be nice to be able to set the record straight...with papers to prove it..instead of memories.

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: gnvair ()
Date: March 20, 2016 05:29PM

irfgt Wrote:
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> All I know is the 3 speed is the worst
> transmission ever installed in a Corvair. If I
> owned one it would not be there long.


The 60-65 3 speeds had a non synchronized 1st gear. But the 66-69 model is fully synchronized and quite nice to drive.

Lee J

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: isucorvair ()
Date: March 20, 2016 05:36PM

My dad owned a white 66 Corsa convertible, with low mileage, and a 3 speed.

The car is now owned by John and Teresa Miller, and still retains the 3 speed.


Eric P
DeWitt, IA

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: March 20, 2016 06:23PM

On my 65 Turbo its 3M20BB 4 SPD TRANSMISION. My price column is pretty well wiped out, but ends in .50. If anyone can help rebuild my window sticker price column I would appreciate it.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa


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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 06:32PM

J.O.

How about this...65 Corsa turbo with 4 speed...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: ral1963 ()
Date: March 20, 2016 06:42PM

Another 65 and a 66 for reference...what specific options are you needing prices for? I have some dealer cost lists...

Rick Loving
Corvair historian & chronicler of useless facts
CORSA
Performance Corvair Group
Chicagoland Corvair Enthusiasts

RAL1963@COMCAST.NET
Just south of Chicago IL

Current Ride
63 Sprint Vert 140/4sp

Past Rides
60 700 Sedan 80hp PG
63 Monza Vert 102hp 4 spd
63 Monza Coupe 140hp 4 spd
63 700 Sedan 80hp 3 spd
64 Monza Vert 110hp 4 spd
64 Monza Coupe 95hp 3 spd
64 Monza Sedan 110hp PG
65 500 Coupe 95hp 4 spd
65 Monza Coupe 110hp PG
65 Corsa Coupe 140hp 4 spd
66 Turbo Coupe 180/4sp
68 Monza Vert 140hp 3 spd

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Re: Open debate vs Corsa's having standard 3 speed and 4 speed optional
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: March 20, 2016 06:45PM

Looking at that window sticker and seeing that they charged extra for the optional 4sp trans, doesn't that make you think the 4 sp was optional and not standard? there would be no charge for a standard 3 sp trans.







1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

-----------------------------------
Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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