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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: December 23, 2016 11:57AM

corventure Dave Wrote:
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> I have never had a problem with the shifters in
> either of my FC's!eye popping smiley
> Of course they both only have 2 gears forward, and
> that third pedal on the floor is missing. Perhaps
> that's what I'm missing!tongue sticking out smiley
>
> grinning smileygrinning smiley
>
> Corventure Dave


Drove my first PG Greenbrier this Summer. I enjoyed not dealing with the mystery shifter.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: December 23, 2016 01:02PM

I admit having a standard transmission in an FC has a lot better performance as far as get up and go. But I also like the near bullet proof low maintenance of the Powerglide. However one disadvantage is long down hill stretches when loaded up with cargo. I would really like to be able to drop a gear or two. With the automatic,low gear is too low in these conditions and the brakes get a workout. I rarely have to deal with this kind of condition. But I plan my trips accordingly. Yep... I've had the brakes fade away a few times over the decades with my Greenbrier!eye popping smiley

Other than that... Powerglides ROCK!

Corventure Dave

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: December 23, 2016 02:07PM

Kinda like that huge gap between 2nd and 3rd on a 3 speed? Don't want to lug it,but don't want to drop it into 2nd either?
Like someone previously mentioned. A 3 speed (really) only has two gears.



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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 03, 2017 09:52AM

January

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 06, 2017 06:32AM

Rebuilt 4speed from Paul Kehler to swap-out the crashbox.
No more double-clutching for the Loadside.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: January 06, 2017 07:33AM

All you will need is a 23 1/4" 12-spline input shaft and a 4-sp, FC transmission support. (I know a guy who has 'em if you don't winking smiley )

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 06, 2017 08:39AM

cnicol Wrote:
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> All you will need is a 23 1/4" 12-spline input
> shaft and a 4-sp, FC transmission support. (I know
> a guy who has 'em if you don't winking smiley )


Thanks,Craig thumbs up
Per Paul,it already has the early 12 spline (pic).
I'm assuming it's the proper length due to the '62/'63 gearbox?
I will need the support,though. I appreciate it!

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 06, 2017 09:00AM

Pedigo Wrote:
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> cnicol Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > All you will need is a 23 1/4" 12-spline input
> > shaft and a 4-sp, FC transmission support. (I
> know
> > a guy who has 'em if you don't winking smiley )
>
>
> Thanks,Craig thumbs up
> Per Paul,it already has the early 12 spline
> (pic).
> I'm assuming it's the proper length due to the
> '62/'63 gearbox?
> I will need the support,though. I appreciate it!

*Edit*
I confused output with input.
I'll need that input shaft from you.
The only one I have in stock is a NOS early 3speed.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 12, 2017 02:21AM

Contrast and reflection.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: igottajob2 ()
Date: January 12, 2017 06:09AM

smileys with beer

Minneapolis,MN

1965 500 Coupe
95HP

Built the 1st week of April of 65 at willow run.
500 coupe. The only factory accessory is a rear antenna.
White with a red interior.
Now black with black and red interior.


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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: January 12, 2017 07:43AM

Looking good, but one thing that just jumps out in the picture is the hub caps. You have to have them both clocked so the red emblem is straight across. That will make it perfect.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 12, 2017 10:15AM

Is this better,Rowin? No clocking required.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 16, 2017 06:17PM

*Gearbox edit*

Paul found for me a correct '61 FC 4spd unit instead of the '62/'63 unit in the above pic.
He's currently rebuilding this for the Loadside instead.

Now to the diff...

I'm trying to process within my head the different ratios. Either 3:27/4spd or 3:89/3spd were the two choices for MT.

I'm considering a rebuilt diff to accompany the rebuilt gearbox as a complete fresh pair.

All things being equal with a final drive ratio of 1:1,how can a 80hp motor use both a tall(3:27) and a short(3:89) ratio drivability wise?

Obviously,I'm not a tranny guy and it's apparent by asking this.

I could just as easily hassle Paul with dumb questions,but what the hell...I'll sacrifice myself here,instead.



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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: January 16, 2017 06:27PM

I'd split it!! use a 3.55

But most agree... an 80 hp on the non- freeway needs the 3.89's





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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 16, 2017 07:16PM

OK...
2nd question.

Why does a '61 FC offer 4-sp/3:27 but all '64/'65 FC are 3:55 with more HP?

Seems like it would be the other way around.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: January 16, 2017 07:27PM

Pedigo Wrote:
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> OK...
> 2nd question.
>
> Why does a '61 FC offer 4-sp/3:27 but all '64/'65
> FC are 3:55 with more HP?
>
> Seems like it would be the other way around.
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You are so right!!


Also,it's the Torque of the 164's longer stroke that makes the difference!

Remember.... Horsepower = The TORQUE the engine makes [ load cell / water brake ] multiplied by RPM at the time..... then divided by 5252





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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 16, 2017 08:17PM

I may have missed something in your discussion, but a 3:89 was the only axle ever available for a FC, or the 3:89 positraction
Steve

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 16, 2017 08:43PM

SteveInMarietta Wrote:
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> I may have missed something in your discussion,
> but a 3:89 was the only axle ever available for a
> FC, or the 3:89 positraction
> Steve


Both Clark's technical and my '61 manual contradict that,Steve.
At this point,im not exactly sure which publication provides the most comprehensive and accurate information void of typos and mistakes.

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: SteveInMarietta ()
Date: January 16, 2017 08:55PM

I could show this is several ways, but I'll choose two: the only Rear axle RPO was 481/G81 = positraction; and look at this 1965 Dealer order form - positraction was the only option available for the Corvair 95 (likewise for earlier years).
Steve

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Re: My '61 Loadside...
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: January 16, 2017 08:58PM

'61 Shop Manual

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