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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:47AM

When you say the VIN inspector KNOWS his stuff , do you mean like the CDC KNOWS about Ebola, or the secret service KNOWS how to guard the White House??

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:57AM

Its ok to jump the white house fence or import people with Ebola and then spread it around,open the border with mexico and let in Infected illegals is just fine,put the IRS in charge of your health care and constantly Lie to the American people, all that stuff is ok, but
DON'T MESS WITH THE DMV!





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca



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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:59AM

No. And not like "military intelligence" either. Our guy is just like a straight shooter who likes to see things done right. This does not include moving/tampering with vin tags. He would have an issue with that car. Other inspectors may not.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 17, 2014 10:02AM

Remember tho..... eye rolling smileysometimes BS baffles brains, happens all the time.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 17, 2014 10:09AM

gmorphan Wrote:
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> Interestingly, I know of two "Corsa's" that have
> had the hidden VIN's altered to match re-tagging.
> eye popping smiley
> They were done back in the 1980's and are still
> floating around. Are these really any less of a
> car?

Considering a "Tribute" (recreation) car is worth less on the market than the real deal then it is "less of a car" as far as value goes. Nothing wrong with building a base car up to be just like another model if you are up front about it. It's called being ethical. I've "Corsarized" my Monza and I always point out it was built as a Monza at the factory.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 17, 2014 10:43AM

[www.justice.gov]

Altering or Removing Motor Vehicle Identification Numbers:

Section 511(a) of Title 18 makes it a felony knowingly to remove, obliterate, tamper with, or alter an identification number for a road motor vehicle or a road motor vehicle part. Section 511(b) of Title 18 creates exceptions for certain persons who engage in lawful conduct that may result in removal or alteration of an identification number. The legislative history is abundantly clear that subsection (b) is not intended to create a loophole for the operators of "chop shops." See H.R.Rep. No. 1087 on H.R. 6257, 98th Congress, 2d Sess. 23-25 (1984).

Section 511(c) of Title 18 contains the definitions for "identification number," "motor vehicle," "motor vehicle demolisher," and "motor vehicle scrap processor." The term "identification number" means a number or symbol that is inscribed or affixed for purposes of identification under chapter 301 and Part C of subtitle VI of Title 49.

Title 49, Chapter 301 authorizes the Secretary of Transportation to promulgate motor vehicle safety standards. Pursuant to this authority, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 115-Vehicle Identification Number (49 C.F.R. §§ 571.115 and 565.1 to 565.5) requires public VIN numbers on road vehicles (passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, buses, trailers, and motorcycles). Part C of subtitle VI of Title 49 (49 U.S.C. § 33101 et seq.) authorizes the Secretary of Transportation to promulgate theft prevention (parts marking) standards. The parts marking regulations are set forth in 49 C.F.R. Part 541. The mandatory component identification requirement applies to certain high theft passenger car lines starting with model year 1987. In 1995, the theft prevention (parts marking) standard was expanded to include certain multipurpose passenger vehicles and certain non high theft lines beginning with model year 1997.

For a discussion of proving violations of 18 U.S.C. § 511, see this Manual at 1376.

Section 511(b) of Title 18:

STATUTE

(a) A person who -
(1) knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters an
identification number for a motor vehicle or motor vehicle part;
or
(2) with intent to further the theft of a motor vehicle,
knowingly removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters a decal
or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor
Vehicle Theft Prevention Act,
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years,
or both.
(b)(1) Subsection (a) of this section does not apply to a
removal, obliteration, tampering, or alteration by a person
specified in paragraph (2) of this subsection (unless such person
knows that the vehicle or part involved is stolen).

(2) The persons referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection
are -
(A) a motor vehicle scrap processor or a motor vehicle
demolisher who complies with applicable State law with respect to
such vehicle or part;
(cool smiley a person who repairs such vehicle or part, if the removal,
obliteration, tampering, or alteration is reasonably necessary
for the repair;
(C) a person who restores or replaces an identification number
for such vehicle or part in accordance with applicable State law;
and
(D) a person who removes, obliterates, tampers with, or alters
a decal or device affixed to a motor vehicle pursuant to the
Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act, if that person is the owner
of the motor vehicle,
or is authorized to remove, obliterate,
tamper with or alter the decal or device by -
(i) the owner or his authorized agent;
(ii) applicable State or local law; or
(iii) regulations promulgated by the Attorney General to
implement the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention Act.
(c) As used in this section, the term -
(1) "identification number" means a number or symbol that is
inscribed or affixed for purposes of identification under chapter
301 and part C of subtitle VI of title 49;
(2) "motor vehicle" has the meaning given that term in section
32101 of title 49;
(3) "motor vehicle demolisher" means a person, including any
motor vehicle dismantler or motor vehicle recycler, who is
engaged in the business of reducing motor vehicles or motor
vehicle parts to metallic scrap that is unsuitable for use as
either a motor vehicle or a motor vehicle part;
(4) "motor vehicle scrap processor" means a person -
(A) who is engaged in the business of purchasing motor
vehicles or motor vehicle parts for reduction to metallic scrap
for recycling;
(cool smiley who, from a fixed location, uses machinery to process
metallic scrap into prepared grades; and
(C) whose principal product is metallic scrap for recycling;
but such term does not include any activity of any such person
relating to the recycling of a motor vehicle or a motor vehicle
part as a used motor vehicle or a used motor vehicle part.
(d) For purposes of subsection (a) of this section, the term
"tampers with" includes covering a program decal or device affixed
to a motor vehicle pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Theft Prevention
Act for the purpose of obstructing its visibility.



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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: October 17, 2014 11:18AM

Reminds me of reading the IRS tax code. Or my current phone bill.
But remember Brent, none of us have said anything bad about your car.
The consensus seems to be it is VERY NICE.
Impossible to duplicate for your asking price.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: October 17, 2014 11:37AM

those are DOT regulations.

The DMVs are governed by the States not the DOT.



I really like this car. Wish I had $30K for it.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: yrplace17 ()
Date: October 17, 2014 01:05PM

A 66 Monza convertible with modern AC converted to a turbo Corsa after a full teardown restoration and a blueprinted engine with just 11 miles on it recently sold for $23k after a series of price reductions from $35k to 30 to 25 and finally $23k.

Don't know how that compares to an actual Corsa with AC added, but the car was red with a red interior and a tan top. It had full docs and restoration picts and looked gorgeous. I was tempted to buy it myself even tho I already have two Corvairs, but sadly or luckily it was sold just as I got seriously interested.

As for the current car under discussion, I would think the color could have an affect either good or bad. Not a color I would chose, but someone might love it and be willing to pay more for it.

Just my 2 cents........

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 17, 2014 01:30PM

Source: Hagerty

'66 Monza Convertible value:

Condition 1: $28,300



'66 Corsa Turbo Convertible value:

Condition 1: $34,300





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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: NMCarNut ()
Date: October 17, 2014 01:58PM

As previously stated this is without doubt one of the best Corvairs around and certainly one of my all-time favorites. There may be question if any non-Yenko Corvair could be worth $30K but if there are any this is definitely one of them.

But we are trying respectfully point out the car has a problem, but fortunately a problem that could be easily resolved with verification of the hidden serial number. And the good news is the serial number sequence appears to be in the correct range for the build date.

While Section 511b of US Code Title 18 (Federal Law, not a DOT regulation) does list exemptions for identification "tampering", without some sort of official documentation that the Serial Plate relocation was legally performed how could a knowledgeable VIN inspector or buyer determine this being the case without further verification? Do you really expect them taking at face value that you believe the previous owner was legit? Having the answer before the question arises (although it already has been brought up here) really makes good common sense.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: gmorphan ()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:05PM

Wow! Brent must be the nicest guy in the world to subject himself to all this. eye rolling smileywinking smiley
Good luck selling this gorgeous car. It's worth every penny.



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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 17, 2014 03:59PM

I want to know who actually drilled the VIN mounting rosette rivets outconfused smiley? Don?

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: malibusled ()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:05PM

Beautiful car! I hope you get every penny!

Ed Bartlett
President - Corsa Ontario Canada
1961 Corvair 95 Rampside 110 4 Speed
1964 Corvair Monza Coupe 110/PG
1964 Corvair Monza Convertible 95 PG
1965 Corvair Monza Coupe 140/4 Speed Conversion - Oshawa Built
Bobcaygeon, ON Canada

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:56PM

Drill baby D R I L L ! ! ! ! !

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 18, 2014 05:13AM

"LM rebody" Is that the same as swapping VIN plates?confused smiley

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 18, 2014 06:13AM

People reading this thread should understand that Mel is kicking the dead horse about the location of the VIN plate and the lack of proper "rosette" rivets, while at the same time he is sending me PM's asking me whether I want to purchase rosette rivets from him to solve what he calls a "problem".

I'll let you draw you own conclusions about what Mel's real motives are.

By the way Mel, I don't want your rosette rivets, but by all means keep kicking the dead horse.

Meanwhile, the car speaks for itself.





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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 18, 2014 06:20AM

We have no proof the relocated VIN tag matches the hidden VIN, clean the undercoat off and prove its not a rebody.

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 18, 2014 06:30AM

Happy to do that for any legitimate interested buyer (which you clearly are not) when they come to inspect the car and we agree on a price (subject to verifying the Hidden VIN and whatever other conditions that are agreed to).

BTW: Here's Mel's PM to me. Mel must have taken lessons in marketing from the Mafia, as in, "Buy my rivets or I'll make life miserable for you."


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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 18, 2014 06:33AM

Rebody grinning smiley

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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