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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 16, 2014 04:00PM

aircooled Wrote:
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>
> Personally (it's still a VERY nice car, don't get
> me wrong), I would rather have either a full
> stock, or a much more modified car.
>

And there you have it. Non stock changes to a car have to find the right buyer. What's too much or too little when you make "mods".

Of course if you build a car to keep then it's easy to make changes for yourself and not worry about impacting the sale value.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 16, 2014 04:01PM

66vairman Wrote:
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> It would be interesting to see if there are
> pictures showing the restoration process. That
> seems to have a positive impact on valuation.
> Always nice to see whats under the nice cosmetics.

I have photos of the "before" and "during" restoration that I'd be happy to scan and send to any interested buyer. Also have the original PA regsitration documents (Ontario licensing bureau allows you to keep it), as well as a photocopy of the CA registration before that.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: UGLYTRUK ()
Date: October 16, 2014 04:04PM

I just bot some sport mirrors for my '65 at the Homecoming. They have tall bases, but I thot they would attach above the beltline? It's hard to line them up cause the studs stay on the mirror. But when I hold them against the door the base angle looks correct. Seller said they came off a Pontiac. Was it a mid size G body LeMans or a Parisienne/Bonnevile??? (Bonnie subsequently was used on the G-body midsize!)

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 16, 2014 04:07PM

Mel Wrote:
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> Where is the hidden VIN on a late model?confused smiley

Answer courtesy of AZDave:


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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 16, 2014 07:34PM

Can you get a picture of the hidden VIN on your car?

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: BrentF ()
Date: October 16, 2014 08:01PM

Mel Wrote:
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> Can you get a picture of the hidden VIN on your
> car?

Here's a photo I just took. The hidden VIN is covered by a thin coating of undercoating, so no number is visible.


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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Date: October 16, 2014 08:34PM

Well, if it was darker Green, I might go for it. My wallet, that is!

That's a sweet Turbo Corvair, for sure. I like the mods and yes, there are plenty of 'em, too! At this level, I'd like to see Kelsey Hayes Chrome wires on there!

Laws are different in Canada, guys! It may not be a problem to re-locate a certified VIN on a car in Ontario.
It may even be legal here in the USA if done with supervision from LEO.

Top down, driving thru Yosemite National Park, 90 degrees out and the A/C blowing - yeah, that works!

I drove my Corsa Turbo 'Vert thru there a few years ago, but it was only around 70 degrees when I was there.


Dan Davis ~ Pierce County, WA ~ CORSA Western Director + Corvairs NW + North Cascades Corvairs + Corvanatics
1966 Corsa Turbo coupe ~ ~ 1966 140 Corsa ~ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 'Vert Sierra Tan/Fawn ~ 1964 Monza 'Vert (SOLD) ~ 1960 Monza Ermine White/Red PG ++ ~ 1965 Monza 140/4 Evening Orchid w/ ivory/black interior ~ 1962 Monza Wagon 102/4 ~ 1963 Rampside/Scamper ~ 1963 Red/Greenbrier ~ 1969 Ultra Van #468

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: October 17, 2014 06:29AM

1966-Corsa-GT-180 Wrote:
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> Laws are different in Canada, guys! It may not be
> a problem to re-locate a certified VIN on a car in
> Ontario.

No problem with the car and A/C mods as it's obvious no one is trying to pass this off as an OEM A/C Corsa turbo. The VIN tag move was a bad decision though no matter where you live.

Any state DMV inspector worth their salt is going to insisit on looking under the A/C condenser to see if another VIN tag is under there in the original location. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time but moving it didn't do anyone any favors. At the end of the day, I don't think it will affect the value all that much as long as the hidden VIN matches.

On a LM I can usually get a good enough photo of the hidden VIN using my camera phone. The undercoating is usually thinner in that area and all I really need to see is 2-3 numbers in sequence to convince me it is a match.




Here is an example hidden VIN picture from the V8 I just bought. It came out pretty clear. Hint: Turn off the camera flash and shine a flashlight from the opposite side to help reveal the numbers.


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 4dr 140 PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4dr EJ20T w/5-speed
66 500 4dr 110 3-speed Display Vehicle




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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: October 17, 2014 06:50AM

Amazing car. One of my top favorites.smileys with beer

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: gmorphan ()
Date: October 17, 2014 07:11AM

I really can appreciate mods done that like factory-like and render no compromises. This car is superbly done.
I have a hard time believing that any DMV inspector would even realize that the VIN tag was relocated. eye rolling smiley

Heck, I brought a salvage titled car through special recertification inspection in CT and the TWO INSPECTORS never even realized that I had performed a non-factory convertible conversion!!! confused smiley

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: NMCarNut ()
Date: October 17, 2014 08:00AM

Maybe so, maybe not. First hand experience has convinced me there are at least a few knowledgeable DMV inspectors out there. And also at least a few knowledgeable insurance adjusters. In this case verification of the hidden serial number is definitely a good idea if for no other reason peace of mind for the seller.

gmorphan Wrote:
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> . . .
> I have a hard time believing that any DMV
> inspector would even realize that the VIN tag was
> relocated. eye rolling smiley
> . . .
> Heck, I brought a salvage titled car through

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 17, 2014 08:40AM

NMCarNut Wrote:
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> In this case verification of the hidden serial
> number is definitely a good idea if for no other
> reason peace of mind for the seller.
>

Agreed - being up front about the VIN tag and providing verification eliminates "buyers remorse" issues and legal action from a buyer.

Considering the number of folks that spotted the VIN tag issue here, sooner of later a buyer will become aware if he isn't aware during purchase.

It is a nice car and should sell for good money and you don't want to give a buyer a reason to "claw back" monies he pays for the car (and I've seen this happen).

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Phil Dally ()
Date: October 17, 2014 08:42AM

If you get the old guy that has been there a million years he will know...Murphy's Law!!

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: gmorphan ()
Date: October 17, 2014 08:45AM

Reality is....if your dropping $30K on a 50-year old vehicle it would be wise to verify VIN's even if it was in the right location. winking smiley
If you're not a potential buyer, then it doesn't matter.


Interestingly, I know of two "Corsa's" that have had the hidden VIN's altered to match re-tagging. eye popping smiley
They were done back in the 1980's and are still floating around. Are these really any less of a car?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/17/2014 08:52AM by gmorphan.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:07AM

Maybe move the vin tag back to its original location and call it good?





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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:14AM

gmorphan Wrote:
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> Interestingly, I know of two "Corsa's" that have
> had the hidden VIN's altered to match re-tagging.
> eye popping smiley
> They were done back in the 1980's and are still
> floating around. Are these really any less of a
> car?

I know they are worth really less if they get seized and crushed into a little cube of scrap metal. smiling smiley



In the case of those two "Corsas" you mention, if an altered VIN plate is suspected and upon further inspection the hidden VIN reveals tampering, they will seize the car and crush it.


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 4dr 140 PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4dr EJ20T w/5-speed
66 500 4dr 110 3-speed Display Vehicle




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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:23AM

It takes me a long time to crush a Corvair piece by piecesad smiley I need a large bulldozersmileys with beer

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Mel ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:26AM

I bet Brent wishes he hadn't even mentioned his car was for sale here nowsad smileysad smileysad smileysad smiley

Orangeville, Ontario. CANADA

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: Timothy Shortle ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:34AM

Here in SW Colorado our local vin inspector KNOWS his stuff. And he has a little black book to help him. I know this guy takes his job seriously. Being he is a bit of a friend and a customer I have asked him some of these questions. He has stated on a case where the vin appears to have been "touched" he will make an appointment with a local garage that has a hoist. Then he will look at the hidden number. He has told me he has found stolen cars (maybe stolen 50 years ago) and the car rightfully belongs to an insurance company or (?). Oh he is also a police officer that just so happens that job of vin inspections. He has told me he has impounded cars this way. In no way am I implying this particular car is "dirty". I suspect as part of the restoration thick undercoating was applied to the hidden vin area.
Moving the vin plate was a bad move IMO.

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Re: For sale: 1966 Corsa Turbo Convertible (with A/C) for sale
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: October 17, 2014 09:36AM

Mel Wrote:
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> I bet Brent wishes he hadn't even mentioned his
> car was for sale here nowsad smileysad smileysad smileysad smiley

Oh, I think he knows how this place operates when a car goes up for sale here. smiling smiley

Besides, the only real complaint here was about the tag which I dont think is a big issue to an informed seller. I would move it back to the normal position if I only had $30k to buy it. grinning smiley


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed w/factory A/C
66 Corsa 140 4-speed
65 Corsa 140 4-speed
66 Corsa 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 455 Toronado V8
65 Monza 4dr 140 PG w/factory A/C
65 Monza 4dr EJ20T w/5-speed
66 500 4dr 110 3-speed Display Vehicle




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