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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 13, 2015 06:35AM

WagonMaster- Clever! One question: how well did the 7018 rod work with the cast iron elbows and tees?

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: tboltkc ()
Date: July 13, 2015 07:35AM

52bagman Wrote:
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> Dave with where I live, WV, the shipping would
> kill me. Shoot Dave I'll give you $50 for a good
> working drawing and materials list.

I'd be interested in a set of plans too. regardless of shipping costs, it would be more fun to build my own.

-Travis


'65 Corsa; '63 Convertible; '62 Wagon; '65 4 Door
Heart of America Corvair Owners Assocation (Kansas City, MO)

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: gerg ()
Date: July 13, 2015 08:12AM

I wanted one of those cradles when I visited you last year. I didn't read this whole thread, but are you making the jack cradles again?

gerg
Monroe, LA


1965 500 Coupe, 140hp / PG, Brown EFI - work in progress
1962 Rampside, 110Hp, factory 4 speed & 3.89 posi


Current cars and other fun stuff -> [gregblakeney.smugmug.com]

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 13, 2015 09:02AM

cnicol, That rod worked fine for me. Maybe whatever alloy they use to make the fittings malleable makes the difference.

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 13, 2015 05:52PM

Went back and welded a 1" long bead on the threaded joints. Is there such a thing as cast steel? You can tell the fitting were manufactured in a casting process but they weld like steel. Not like the cast iron I've had to use ni-rod on.

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: andyman260 ()
Date: July 13, 2015 09:10PM

I'm not sure what's going on with this thread but I would like to purchase a cradle.

Period. Dot.

Thans!

Andy

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: July 13, 2015 09:39PM

Nice to know about the weldable castings.thumbs up

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
2+2 gnatsuM 5691

+17 Tons of parts

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 14, 2015 05:49AM

Andy

I'd say your best bet would be to PM davemotohead.

Period.
Dot.

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: davemotohead ()
Date: July 14, 2015 06:12AM

I have talked to Andy,the problem I have in having these made is I need to make 5 at a time to justify the material and labor cost, 5 works out best for the material order and even then its $140 each + shipping and I make next to nothing for my Time,Most corvair guys are not going to spend $160-70 bucks for a tool they will use once or twice, In fact about 60 guys contacted me and I sold 10 of them, I install remove a lot more engines than most guys so I use this a lot,I might Have 2 of these for sale soon and Andy will be first on the list, if I get 5 guys wanting these I can have some more made.





Email me at: Dave Motohead

1960 4dr sedan caveman car
1961 Rampside (Chetside)
1962 Rampside (Barnside)
1962 Short Rampside (Shortside)
1962 Monza 700 Wagon
1963 Monza 900 coup (General Nader)

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Rust Free Lancaster Ca

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: rowin4 ()
Date: July 14, 2015 06:30AM

Wagon Master Wrote:
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> [i607.photobucket.com]
> erphoto/HPIM0465_zpslhlytfde.jpg
>
> Here's mine I built for cheap out of 1" black
> pipe. Have been told by some it may not be sturdy
> enough. Maybe a gasman can attest to the
> structural integrity of 1" black pipe. The tee's
> on the front and left bar are bored to slide and
> swivel on the pipe. They lock with pins. These
> have attachment brackets to reach out and support
> the engine in several locations for
> transaxle/belhousing or rear cover removal. All
> joints are threaded together then tack welded
> except for one rear joint that is a slip fit and
> welded.
> 1. (6) 1" Tees
> 2. (4) 1" St. Ells
> 3. 8 Lengths of 1" pipe
> 4. 4 Casters
>
> A power hacksaw, 2 large pipe wrenches, an angle
> grinder, drill press and a stick welder. Oh and a
> Lowe's gift card from last Christmas.
>
> Enjoy


Your stand looks great but even with welding the elbows to the pipe you have the under cut of the pipe thread , about a third of the thickness, weakening the total structure. You may have got a good weld , but others should be aware welding cast to steel does not always work. Partial or total collapse could be in their future.

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: July 14, 2015 06:30AM

+1 on these cradles, GET ONE! I have one from Dave that I mounted on an HF transmission jack. It works great! Also note Dave makes them deeper than the factory cradles so they will clear an aftermarket oil pan if you have one.

Nick
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1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/COG Supporting Member/US Navy Veteran
Northern Colorado, USA

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: dedwinson ()
Date: July 14, 2015 07:39AM

I'd like one as well, but practically speaking I worked around the issue when I really needed one.

I picked up 2 Harbor Freight engine stands (1,000 LB capacity each). On one I mounted the engine at the bell housing.

The other I mounted my diff/trans.

I fully assembled the engine on the stand (tins, mufflers etc) and ran it on the stand.

I rebuilt the trans/diff on the other stand.

Dropped both to a wooden cradle (attached wheels to it) and married the two. Lifted the entire wooden cradle etc onto an ATV jack for reinstall into the car using a borrowed engine hoist.

With all that said, I would pay for a set of drawings since the shipping would be horrible (weight). I'd even pay $100 for the drawings that way it was worth the effort to for Dave to come up with the design, and not have to put any labor into an actual build.

Dave Edwinson
Doing Vairly well in Minnesota
'66 Vert 140HP
www.frontiernet.net/~dedwinson


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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: July 14, 2015 07:46AM

Lots of ways to do it. I can tell you w/ this cradle bolted to a HF transmission jack I can lower the engine (remove the diff/trans) then roll it across the garage, jack it right up to my engine stand, bolt it in place and drop the cradle off. (I have an extra diff case bolted to my engine stand, but would work w/ just regular engine stand arms too)

Easy peasy.

As a side note If you are considering an conventional engine stand stay away from the "tripod" type, they tip over easily. Get one w/ 4 wheels and a base wheel-spread wider than the upper stand portion.

Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/COG Supporting Member/US Navy Veteran
Northern Colorado, USA



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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: dedwinson ()
Date: July 14, 2015 08:26AM

dotto on the 4 wheel engine stand.

Dave Edwinson
Doing Vairly well in Minnesota
'66 Vert 140HP
www.frontiernet.net/~dedwinson


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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Nickshu ()
Date: July 14, 2015 08:46AM

Here's a photo of mine. I'd recommend you bolt it to the stand about 1-2 inches more rearward than I did. With the trans/diff attached it IS stable but it gets a bit forward tippy if you are not careful when rolling it around. I plan to move it back 1-2" sometime in the future.



Nick
_______________________________________________________________________
1964 Monza Spyder Convertible #435 - Rotisserie restored - Check out my restoration thread here: [corvaircenter.com]
Recreational Mechanic/CORSA Member/COG Supporting Member/US Navy Veteran
Northern Colorado, USA



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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Paulsgt ()
Date: July 14, 2015 09:02AM

I'd be interested in one of those cradles. Let me know if you get enough interest to make more.

Thanks!

Paul Sergeant
CORSA Central Division Director / CORSA Treasurer <-new title
Lee's Summit, MO
CORSA since 1975
Member – HACOA, Corvair Minnesota, CORSA, Little Indians, POCI



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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Wagon Master ()
Date: July 14, 2015 09:41AM

From all the input about the materials used I'm starting to second guess my design. Not sure how to test/overtest to insure it's heavy enough.
Load more weight onto it than I'll ever need then bounce on it? I'm confident in it's ability to take the weight, it's the shock load (moving loaded across floor joints) that seems to concern people.
I did do a motohead test and laid a fitting on a piece of railroad iron an wailed on it with a sledge. It did not shatter. It just collapsed. So the malleable properties work.

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: andyman260 ()
Date: July 14, 2015 05:10PM

Dave,

I'm still in if you decide to produce the cradles!

Thanks,

Andy

Andy Allen

Oak Park, IL

1966 Corsa w/air

708.921.8937 cell

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: Pedigo ()
Date: October 29, 2017 03:16PM

Reviving an old thread...
"Hi Dave"smoking smiley

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Re: GM Engine Stand Survey? Your Input wanted?
Posted by: PaulMotz ()
Date: November 03, 2017 10:11PM

I’d love to get one. Been looking all over.

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