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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: February 14, 2018 07:55AM

If it has been that way the entire life of the car I wouldn't worry too much at this point but you might want to space them out temporarily just to see if you notice a more solid feel when driving.

When I replaced the missing cocktail shakers in a 66 Monza and also spaced the door wedges to touch properly, it definitely shook less when hitting things like pot holes and railroad tracks.

I would drive with my left hand placed across the door vent window frame and the windshield frame and was surprised how much movement could be felt there when compared to a hardtop.


Dave W. / Gilbert Arizona
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: February 14, 2018 07:59AM

flat_six Wrote:
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> That's the thing. I don't see anything unusual
> about the door alignment. The history of the car
> is known since new and no indication of collision
> damage or repair. Yet those wedges are sooo far
> apart.
>
> Even the distance from the inside top of the door
> to the plastic trim looks right.
>
>
> You may have the one they built longsmiling smiley

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: glivorsi ()
Date: February 14, 2018 12:37PM

azdave Wrote:
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> If it has been that way the entire life of the car
> I wouldn't worry too much at this point but you
> might want to space them out temporarily just to
> see if you notice a more solid feel when driving.
>
>
> When I replaced the missing cocktail shakers in a
> 66 Monza and also spaced the door wedges to touch
> properly, it definitely shook less when hitting
> things like pot holes and railroad tracks.
>
> I would drive with my left hand placed across the
> door vent window frame and the windshield frame
> and was surprised how much movement could be felt
> there when compared to a hardtop.

I can see the door edge gap constantly changing when I drive my '65 vert. They are definitely flexible!

Greg in Wildwood, MO (part of the St. Louis urban sprawl)

1965 Monza Vert 110PG, Crocus Yellow with black interior and top

2014 Honda Accord V6 (DD)
2017 Honda Pilot (wifemobile)
2012 Chevy Sonic 1.8L (kid's car)
1997 Honda CBR1100XX
2006 Mazdaspeed 6 (no longer own)

Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 15, 2018 05:57AM

Here are the bits. I just don't see a reason for the big gap. Maybe the plastic part is too thin?








Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 15, 2018 06:20AM

Mine never flexed much at all when it was new, but as it got older it became quite visible. When I started the restoration I saw how much rust had eaten away at the inner rockers. I had new ones fabricated, now its ridged again. I can poke the tip of my finger in front door crack under the vent window and hardy feel any movement on a rough road.

The way I adjust the wedges is to put a long strip of paper between the wedge and the striker. If you can pull the paper thru, tighten it more until it tears.


Many many years ago someone on this group wrote an article about the LM Vair vert being most stiff convertible of the era. It claimed GM designed the Vert first for minimum flex, then the rest of the line. Also, they had special show doors made to display the lack of flex. It may have been BrentC.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 15, 2018 08:52AM

Can some helpful forum member upload some pictures of a door wedge setup that is shimmed and working as designed?

Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 15, 2018 10:27AM

These may help, I forgot I did this mod. On the passenger side door I needed two factory shims. On the drivers side I needed to fabricate an additional shim from some 1/8" aluminum stock. plus longer screws. Notice the shinny portion, were it makes contact during driving.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 15, 2018 11:01AM

jjohnsonjo Wrote:
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> These may help, I forgot I did this mod. On the
> passenger side door I needed two factory shims. On
> the drivers side I needed to fabricate an
> additional shim from some 1/8" aluminum stock.
> plus longer screws. Notice the shinny portion,
> were it makes contact during driving.


That is helpful - thanks. That spacer is probably what I need. It is somewhat comforting to know that others have the same issue.

Surprised that more demand is not evident to have that available through vendors. Probably most people just ignore these wedges and their shimming.

Its also funny to note that pretty much everyone needs to grind away parts of the pillar trim to get it to clear the body wedge...

Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 15, 2018 12:03PM

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Clarks has all the parts and extra shim stock

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 15, 2018 01:01PM

jjohnsonjo Wrote:
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> [www.corvair.com]
> age=226
>
> Clarks has all the parts and extra shim stock


Thanks but with a 3/8 - 1/2 inch gap I need a spacer, not 6-8 shims piled up.

Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 15, 2018 02:26PM

I looked at your pic again. No way could I get that wedge shot on either side. The plastic pillar cap sits in the detent on the rear of the door. It would touch if that notch wasn't there. Is the gap on the front and rear of your doors equal. I can go down and take another pic if that helps.

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 15, 2018 04:09PM

Yes, front/back gaps are pretty close. The doors probably could be adjusted to close further. I'll have to check to see if the stop bumpers are in contact.

Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: jjohnsonjo ()
Date: February 16, 2018 10:33AM

Any help?

J.O.

65 Corsa Turbo Vert
79 Honda XL 500S
69 Honda CL 160 D
2010 BMW F 650 GS
2003 Bounder 36D
2013 KIA Optima SX turbo-AKA ZIPPY (wife,s car)
69 Newport Holiday Sailboat
Baja 150 dune buggy cart
Coleman HS 500 UTV
2016 KIA Sorento SXL Turbo

Bethlehem,Pa

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 16, 2018 04:05PM

Ah yes, your door (at least the INSIDE) is much further back than mine. Probably before I have the car repainted in a couple of years I will adjust the doors. I'll also go look at my 65 coupe and see what that looks like (pillar trim to for fit).

My doors also have the stainless door edge guard trim, which may give the illusion of similar gap front/rear, but really the doors may be a tad forward.

Appreciate the help.



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