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procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: vairTer ()
Date: October 06, 2013 03:58PM

I took a quick look in the FAQ's and did a forum search but couldn't find too many details. I have a missing one that I'm about to install a replacement for with appropriate shims, if I can figure it out.

Is there an "official" description in the shop manual?

Or can someone direct me to a thread here?

thanks,
Terry

1966 Monza PG convertible
Ventura County, CA

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 06, 2013 04:00PM

What's a door "wedgie"?





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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: macavs ()
Date: October 06, 2013 04:32PM

Here's a couple of pictures of LM vert door wedges. I hear wedgies are much more painful. But when you consider the price replacement wedges, maybe not so much.

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: Caraholic4life ()
Date: October 06, 2013 04:36PM

MattNall Wrote:
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> What's a door "wedgie"?


The convertibles (LM anyway) had wedge shaped pieces in the door jambs to help reduce any damage due to body flex that may occur.

I was unaware that there was any adjustment for them but had never had a need to either.

1962 95 F.C. Van
1965 Monza Coupe
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: macavs ()
Date: October 06, 2013 04:45PM

No adjustment of the wedges themselves that I am aware of other than proper door alignment. These wedges keep the top rear corner of the door from hitting the top front corner of the quarter panel when you go over a bump and chipping your new paint job. The LM Corvair convertible has the structural integrity of a wet noodle!

Mike C ........... Northern Indiana

1965 Corsa In my family for 47 years

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: vairTer ()
Date: October 06, 2013 07:23PM

By "adjustment" of the wedges, I meant choosing the proper shim thicknesses.

I don't really understand what criteria are used to select the correct shim thickness.

1966 Monza PG convertible
Ventura County, CA

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: October 06, 2013 07:26PM

So that they just don't RUB hard when you close the door! They just take up any slack!





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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: RobertC ()
Date: October 07, 2013 01:09AM

If there is any procedure, it would be in the Body Service Manual - C3718

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: azdave ()
Date: October 07, 2013 09:39AM

My 66 vert was missing those too and when I found and installed them I used a correct thinkness shim from the kit so that they contacted firmly but not enough to change the way the door closed ("seat of the pants" adjustment).

Here is the info from Clark's catalog page 226.


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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: vairTer ()
Date: October 20, 2013 08:25PM

Finally got around to installing replacement wedges and shims on my 66 vert.

It took 3 (!) 0.060"-thick shims to get the wedge and bumper to touch, on both sides. A surprisingly big gap to make up.

This raised a few questions. Is this big a gap typical? Or is there a possibility the frame has been stressed over the years to open up the gap? Is there another adjustment that can be made to the door, effectively pushing it to the rear of the car when in the closed position, so that not all of the gap has to be made up with shims?

Terry

1966 Monza PG convertible
Ventura County, CA

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: 66vairman ()
Date: October 20, 2013 09:02PM

Wow - considering the poor panel alignment on ALL cars in the 60's I would not be concerned. I've seen panel weld indicators in the bodies off by 1/4".

A small gap indicates a sacking floor pan due to rust in the rockers. So a bigger gap is fine if the door gaps look about equal on the front and rear door edges.

Just IMHO. Others can comment.

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: Aaron65 ()
Date: October 21, 2013 03:34AM

Better too big than too small!

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1965 Buick Skylark
1965 Ford Mustang
1965 Dodge Dart 170 Wagon
1953 Buick Special Riviera
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: vairTer ()
Date: October 21, 2013 08:39PM

Wonder what Michael Scott on "The Office" would say to that?

1966 Monza PG convertible
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: Aaron65 ()
Date: October 22, 2013 03:34AM

smiling smileywinking smiley

1965 Corvair Monza Convertible 95 4-sp.
1965 Buick Skylark
1965 Ford Mustang
1965 Dodge Dart 170 Wagon
1953 Buick Special Riviera
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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 13, 2018 09:04PM

Hey all - I added three shims under the door (bronze) wedges and STILL have 1/4 to 3/8 inch gap between the door wedge and the body (plastic) wedge - both sides are this way. The doors are centered in the openings and appear to be adjusted properly. Do I really need to stack up 1/4" + of shims?

Bewildered.

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: February 13, 2018 09:12PM

YUP!!





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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: TerribleTed ()
Date: February 13, 2018 10:31PM

I have never seen a car requiring over around 3 shims in a door wedge. Are the door gaps straight and even front and rear of the door needing this many? And is the door gap along the bottom straight and even? I can see a bent car needing this many, or perhaps one that has had rockers replaced with the body over supported (high in the rear of the door gap) when they were welded in. Not saying it is not possible for a factory assembled car to have this much gap but I would say from experience that it would be unusual.

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: corvairsince70 ()
Date: February 14, 2018 07:24AM

There is a GM procedure for this front door wedge plate adjustment. It is in the 65-69 Body Service Manual on page 5D-9. This is for convertibles only. Add shims to get a 1/32" interference.

Dennis
Nashville area
'68 Conv 140 PG
'66 Corsa Conv 180
'66 Corsa 140

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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: flat_six ()
Date: February 14, 2018 07:25AM

That's the thing. I don't see anything unusual about the door alignment. The history of the car is known since new and no indication of collision damage or repair. Yet those wedges are sooo far apart.

Even the distance from the inside top of the door to the plastic trim looks right.



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Re: procedure to adjust LM vert door wedges
Posted by: corvairsince70 ()
Date: February 14, 2018 07:49AM

Correction - page 5D-9 in the 65-69 CORVAIR body service manual. Also on page 7-68 of the GM body service manual (covers all GM models).
Procedure is the same in both manuals.

Dennis
Nashville area
'68 Conv 140 PG
'66 Corsa Conv 180
'66 Corsa 140

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