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64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 20, 2013 09:49PM

So I made the deal and bought the 1964 Corvair(Rare "Corvan" Cargo Van)Rustfree Southern Van(4-Spd) from Arkansas, stored since 1981.[corvaircenter.com]

I contacted a transporter and anticipated pickup sometime in October.
Last night I receive a call from the driver, he's enroute and will be delivering the van in the morning. 8 or 9am, maybe 10am. Surprise!
If I wasn't informed, I was sure the seller wasn't either, so I emailed him.
In his reply was a warning of damaged caused by improper handling, and that I should call him. So, this morning I did.

The seller was at his home, awaiting a transporter to pickup a 67 Corvette he had sold. My shipper showed up at the seller's house, without calling ahead.
The shipper was supposed to go to the storage facility. The seller thought the shipper was there for the Corvette.
The shipper had a three car exposed trailer, which the seller thought to be odd for moving a 67 Corvette.
Surely, the new owner would want his new $100,000 car to be enclosed.
As the shipper was preparing to load, the seller was concerned enough to ask to see the paperwork. Surprise!
Those Corvettes and Corvans look so much alike, don't they? The shipper had never heard of a Corvan.

They both go to the storage facility and push the van out. The shipper wanted to leave it outside while attending to some other matter, and would come back to load it later.
This is an industial area in Long Island. What could possibly happen to it?
Again, the seller was concerned and denied the request.
He watched as the shipper and assistant attempted to load the inoperable van, without a winch.
They used a strap and another client's vehicle to pull the van onto the trailer.
On the first attempt, the van fell off the ramp, onto the driver's door rocker panel.
On the second attempt, the strap broke free and the van went rolling down the ramp and uncontrolled through the facility. Fortunately, it stopped without colliding into anything.
Third time was a charm.

10am and no call. 11am, no call. Did it roll off somewhere on the Interstate?
It arrived at noon, after much worrying about the long delay.

I will never use a broker again. Never.

And here it is;

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 20, 2013 09:51PM

The damage to the front rocker was kind of a mixed blessing.
It revealed just how "rust free" the van is.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: September 20, 2013 10:05PM

Still looks like you've scored a decent Van....

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 20, 2013 10:17PM

There is more work required than I originally expected, but that is typical.
Overall, I'm very happy with it.
Except for the stench that made itself at home inside!

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: jimmyo ()
Date: September 21, 2013 04:27AM

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eidolon
He watched as the shipper and assistant attempted to load the inoperable van, without a winch.
They used a strap and another client's vehicle to pull the van onto the trailer.
Isn't that nice to know that they don't have a problem using customers car's to move other customers cars? I'm sure it was fun getting it out of were it was too. It was in a corner buried with boxes and junk all around it.

Jim O'Connor
45 miles north of The Bronx, N.Y.
1962 Greenbrier 110 4spd
1964 Monza Convertible 110 PG
"Wherever you go....There you are"

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 21, 2013 06:46PM

Yeah JIm, it would've made a great Three Stooges episode, if it wasn't my investment!

Started cleanup of the interior, to find and eliminate the stench.
The fiberglass insulation, a very bad idea in a vehicle, was my starting point.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: flamingchariots ()
Date: September 22, 2013 08:32PM

Sorry to hear of your difficulty with the shipper. I've had similar things happen.

One '64 Corvair coming from Arizona was MIA for three weeks; the broker had trouble finding out where it was. I was relieved when it finally did show up (with no explanation for the delay).

I have also observed a shipper using customers' cars as a winch. I felt sorry for the unknowing other cars' owners when they were used to load/unload a very heavy '54 Nash Ambassador (with a flat tire) that I had bought from Montana.
No conscience.
"This isn't our first time around." eye popping smiley

BTW, that insulation will smell like urine with any dampness at all. Best to remove it.

Looks good underneath the insulation!

Kevin
Medina, OH

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 24, 2013 05:52PM

The boss sent me home early as a bonus for getting called out at 2am.
More OT! Making a list of necessary items to get it on the road.

More fiberglass batt removal and brush/vac.
I didn't see any fiberglass in the fan or below, but I'll pull the shroud to be certain.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 24, 2013 06:04PM

Started cleaning the engine compartment.

Engine code V - 95HP manual Fc. It's looking like it has all original components.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eddieb ()
Date: September 24, 2013 06:10PM

I once sold an original un-restored 60 Plymouth to a fellow in England.When the shipper arrived he had one of those long car hauling trailers. Up front up top was a mid 60's Vette and below was a late model Mercedes. His winch was stolen and he didn't know how to drive a stick so I ended up getting a running start,hit the ramps,slipped the clutch like crazy and eased it right up to the Vette.Harrowing to say the least.Since there are so many "reality" shows on tv why not one called "Shippers from Hell".
Thankfully I have a first class guy now with a beautiful enclosed trailer. He's somewhere near Pierce NE waiting for a hauling job. EddieB Dade City,Fl

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: September 25, 2013 08:25AM

Engine appears to be a 62 or 63. (no belt guides, 62-3 fan, small oil cooler), so likely an 80hp. Thankfully it's a van engine and remarkably, all the side seals are there! 80hp engines provide good low end torque and are pretty much unbreakable. I highly suggest pulling the top shroud and cleaning the head and cylinder fins (deep down @ the through-holes). Almost every parked car I've worked on had mouse debris or other blocking the airflow. (excepting one, fins all looked great; deep air holes were the problem)

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66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: September 25, 2013 08:32AM

The fuel lines are scary, and I can't see how the PCV system ties into the crankcase. seems to be missing a hose to the top cover.

1961 rampside with a 65 / 67 110 engine, car four speed.
1965 convertible
1966 Custom two door/four door 180 Turbo.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 25, 2013 09:22AM

Thanks for pointing that out, Craig. It's my first experience with an early series.
It does have a pulley, not a harmonic balancer; I thought that was odd for a 64 engine.
There is a hose from the intake balance tube to the right air cleaner housing and there is a hole plug in the top shroud, so I don't know what's been done for crankcase ventilation.
I haven't paid much attention to the hoses as they were all going to be removed and replaced with new and installed following the manual.
So, now my confidence that all is proper has dropped waaayyyy down.
Replacing all of the fuel lines is high on the list, brake lines as well, they are very rusty.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: larry202br ()
Date: September 25, 2013 09:50AM

i had a pulley on the 64 engine in my rampy, don't know why. I replaced it with a HB.

1961 rampside with a 65 / 67 110 engine, car four speed.
1965 convertible
1966 Custom two door/four door 180 Turbo.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: cnicol ()
Date: September 25, 2013 09:53AM

The base '64 engine would have a cast pulley.

Craig N. Coeur d'Alene ID.
66 Black Monza 4dr, 4.2L V8 49k
61 Seamist Jade Rampside 140 PG
60 Monza coupe (sold, sniff sniff)
66 Sprint Corsa convt - First car! Re-purchased 43 years later
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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 25, 2013 06:22PM

Pulled the plug out of the top shroud and spotted a few acorns on the cylinders.
The engine specs will remain unknown until Saturday, when shrouds come off for cleaning and it's readied for firing.

The differential is coded BQ, 1961 3.27.

The transmission is a THREE speed.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: corventure Dave ()
Date: September 26, 2013 03:21PM

For a 64 the diff case should have the boss's for a travnverse spring.. even tho the FC's never came with that spring. I would say the tansaxil has also been changed.
I would get a number off of one of the heads, to know more about the engine. It is likely 62 - 63 like Craig said.
I believe all of the Late 95hp engines had a pulley and not a balancer. Ac cars may be different tho.

After all the cleaning, it's fun to step back and see what one really has! Now the fun begins!thumbs up

Corventure Dave

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: September 30, 2013 07:45PM

The weekend plans were aborted due to unpredicted rain and there's no room in the garage.

This evening I had some time so I got the top shroud off.
Crankcase is ventilated by a road draft tube.
The blower belt is a little too stiff for reuse.grinning smiley
I was glad to see the fresh air intake was closed, so there's a good chance the heater fan and ducts aren't clogged.
According to "The Classic Corvair", the fan is not correct for an FC.
Since so many things aren't original or correct, I'll fight my "Stocko Whacko" urges and go for convenience and high reliability.
The fan will be replaced with a late model unit, electric fuel pump installed, etc.
I'm also thinking about gas lift cylinders for the engine cover.
I noticed the wheels have spacers behind them...and they look home made.

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: MattNall ()
Date: September 30, 2013 07:48PM

You're making good progress is a good way! Always pays off in the long run..

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Re: 64 Corvan; the Long Island FC
Posted by: eidolon ()
Date: October 04, 2013 06:21PM

Parts came in this week.
I found some 15x6 3.625 inch backspace chrome smoothies on sale at Jeg's.
I opted for chrome because I can Plastidip them in any color and easily remove it if the color doesn't suit me, or leave them as is.
I opened the boxes and inspected for shipping damage, found none.thumbs up
What was odd was that two were in the factory cartons, two were in plain brown boxes.
I had 205/65 tires mounted and balanced.
After I took this picture, I noticed something that really irritated me.angry smiley
Both myself and the tire guy missed it.

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